I Hate Trump

[Phil1111 908]

48 minutes ago, Coreece said:

China is an outlier, we don't know wtf is going on over there.

Density is most obviously a factor, but it's only one factor who's effect is dependent upon many others already mentioned in this thread.

 

But in the other thread you posted an article that said the U.S, France, Belgium and the Netherlands  were the ones that were rectifying the issue with underreporting and that it was the U.K that was still not counting nursing home deaths. (tho that article was from a few weeks ago)

It originated in China so they had to deal with C-19 without any knowledge about it. They are a third rate country v the US. The US had a months warning. The US banned travelers before it got started stateside. But muffed EU transmissions trump doing Boris a favor..

Regardless of China lies. Today they are substantially open. Yet no reports suggest they have a higher mortality than the US.

[airdvr 197]

2 hours ago, Phil1111 said:

It originated in China so they had to deal with C-19 without any knowledge about it. They are a third rate country v the US. The US had a months warning. The US banned travelers before it got started stateside. But muffed EU transmissions trump doing Boris a favor..

Regardless of China lies. Today they are substantially open. Yet no reports suggest they have a higher mortality than the US.

Please tell me that someone of your obvious intelligence level doesn't believe anything coming out of China.

[kallend 1,621]

6 hours ago, Coreece said:

Any thought on why areas like the U.K and France have covid fatality rates that are twice as high as the world average?

BoJo in the UK delayed action, this combined with very high population density especially in southern England (more than half the UK population lives south of Birmingham).

Edited May 9, 2020 by kallend

[kallend 1,621]

2 hours ago, airdvr said:

Please tell me that someone of your obvious intelligence level doesn't believe anything coming out of China.

Yet you believe anything coming out of the White House.

[wmw999 2,116]

2 hours ago, airdvr said:

Please tell me that someone of your obvious intelligence level doesn't believe anything coming out of China.

A lot of the evidence of whether things are happening is from external sources. Pollution from factories is evidence that they're operating; pollution from cities is evidence that they're running again. Aviation is running (my brother works in aviation, and said that there's all kinds of ancillary evidence). Whether or not everything is normal, or whether there are actually green unicorns all over China that they don't want us to know about, these are things that are observed from the outside.

Sometimes that's how we can tell the WH is lying, too, because there's evidence to the contrary. Announcing something doesn't make it true, no matter how much you want to believe it, or who's doing the announcing.

Wendy P.

[Coreece 189]

6 hours ago, headoverheels said:

Lots of cheek kissing in France.   BJ in the UK started off in the do nothing herd immunity direction, which allowed cases to spread faster.  Since unchecked spread is something like 10x every 8-9 days, they have more cases than they would have.

2 hours ago, kallend said:

BoJo in the UK delayed action, this combined with very high population density especially in southern England (more than half the UK population lives south of Birmingham).

Just to be clear, I'm talking about the case fatality rate (deaths/diagnosed cases) vs the crude mortality rate. (deaths/population)  And while density can affect both, it seems a higher CFR would speak more to possible deficiencies in the overall health of a population and/or the level of treatment they receive.

[kallend 1,621]

38 minutes ago, Coreece said:

Just to be clear, I'm talking about the case fatality rate (deaths/diagnosed cases) vs the crude mortality rate. (deaths/population)  And while density can affect both, it seems a higher CFR would speak more to possible deficiencies in the overall health of a population and/or the level of treatment they receive.

There is great disparity in testing, and death reporting criteria.  Deviation from expected death rates from previous years' 5-year averages may actually be more reliable - on average.

Britain’s statisticians, by expanding its definition of covid-19 fatalities and analysing death certificates retrospectively, are reporting deaths as Covid related that many nations would not have reported.

Edited May 9, 2020 by kallend

[gowlerk 1,903]

On 5/8/2020 at 11:54 AM, nigel99 said:

Trump may not be the man, but he does represent the sentiment.

 

On 5/8/2020 at 11:54 AM, nigel99 said:

Great post and very well said!

It is a great post. But it misses the point of who Trump is. It's one thing to represent the sentiment and a different thing to be honestly be working for improving society and helping the middle class. Even if his agenda is to do so he has shown is not capable of delivering anything more than first the Paul Ryan agenda of tax cuts for the wealthy and then the Mitch McConnell agenda of molding the judiciary. The tariffs imposed on trading partners are completely ineffective at driving the change you are speaking of. Trump has managed to take over the base of the American right wing, but control of the levers of power remain more than ever in the hands of those who could not care less about the middle class.

 

Note, of course the first quote is from Bigun.

Edited May 10, 2020 by gowlerk

[kallend 1,621]

Dirt on Trump worth $42Million?  But he's so squeaky clean.

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/hackers-double-ransom-lady-gaga-madonna-attorney-threaten-donald-trump

[ryoder 1,381]

32 minutes ago, kallend said:

Dirt on Trump worth $42Million?  But he's so squeaky clean.

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/hackers-double-ransom-lady-gaga-madonna-attorney-threaten-donald-trump

"It is not clear why the hackers connected Trump to Grubman. The president has never been a Grubman client, according to sources, either as a private businessman or during his administration."

Sounds to me like desperation to get the ransom money.

[Phil1111 908]

26 minutes ago, ryoder said:

"It is not clear why the hackers connected Trump to Grubman. The president has never been a Grubman client, according to sources, either as a private businessman or during his administration."

Sounds to me like desperation to get the ransom money.

Likely because trump is the king of litigation. Either as a defendant, or as a fishing, intimidating or harassing plaintiff. Every time there would be disclosure of documents potentially damaging to all the parties involved.

If they don't have really juicy material directly on trump. But embarrassing or damaging to trump Enterprises. trump would have cause to file an action for damages against the law firm for failing to protect those damaging disclosures from the public realm. Arising from the hack.

In the normal course of events hacking, extortion and such criminal endeavors need to be condemned. But if its damaging to trump, its all good.

Edited May 16, 2020 by Phil1111

[kallend 1,621]

1 hour ago, Phil1111 said:

 

In the normal course of events hacking, extortion and such criminal endeavors need to be condemned. But if its damaging to trump, its all good.

Wikileaks was applauded by many on the right (including Trump) for hacking "her emails".