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[Phil1111 910]

7 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Vaping causes lung damage as well, they are studying it to see just how bad.

Edibles seem to be safer, though, if you need to alter your mind.

AFAIK the vaping lung damage issue surrounds the use of liquid formulations with added vitamin E and Vaping pens. Using vaporizers to smoke solid leaf cannabis is different and no more substantive risk than a joint.

Unless someone knows different?

[turtlespeed 212]

2 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

AFAIK the vaping lung damage issue surrounds the use of liquid formulations with added vitamin E and Vaping pens. Using vaporizers to smoke solid leaf cannabis is different and no more substantive risk than a joint.

Unless someone knows different?

I don't disagree.  I don't know enough about it other than to say that vaping can cause damage.

Smoking a joint can cause things like emphysema, and COPD.

 

[jakee 1,254]

42 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

I mentioned a few days ago that Strom Thurman was a recruiter and a member of the KKK.

He was summarily defended and all his good works were put forth, and excuses galore were made.

Where did you mention it and who defended him? The only mentions you've ever made here of Strom Thurman [sic] were this post and one 4 years ago. You don't ever seem to have mentioned the correct spelling of his name.

 

I'm fairly certain that no-one here except maybe some of the fringe right would have any interest in defending him.

[airdvr 197]

49 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Vaping causes lung damage as well, they are studying it to see just how bad.

Edibles seem to be safer, though, if you need to alter your mind.

It wasn't vaping in the traditional sense.  It had to do with a plastic bag and steam.

[wmw999 2,121]

Strom Thurmond was a senator with a long (very long) career, from South Carolina, starting in the 1930's. Of course he was racist, and a segregationist. He wouldn't have been elected without that, and he never renounced it, although he did start hiring minorities for his office in 1971.

He did good things, as do at times pretty much all racists and segregationists, even now. But the context is very different, being a hard-over racist now, and one in the 1930's South Carolina. It's bigger now. 

And I think it was Byrd who was recently defended; he was also a racist and segregationist (at least until he vocally and specifically renounced it), this time from W. Va. 

Wendy P.

[turtlespeed 212]

6 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

Strom Thurmond was a senator with a long (very long) career, from South Carolina, starting in the 1930's. Of course he was racist, and a segregationist. He wouldn't have been elected without that, and he never renounced it, although he did start hiring minorities for his office in 1971.

He did good things, as do at times pretty much all racists and segregationists, even now. But the context is very different, being a hard-over racist now, and one in the 1930's South Carolina. It's bigger now. 

And I think it was Byrd who was recently defended; he was also a racist and segregationist (at least until he vocally and specifically renounced it), this time from W. Va. 

Wendy P.

My Mistake - I remembered Thurman more than Byrd.

My question still stands, and, now, includes Two people. 

Were they not fine people?

[SkyDekker 1,121]

6 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

My Mistake - I remembered Thurman more than Byrd.

My question still stands, and, now, includes Two people. 

Were they not fine people?

No.

[jakee 1,254]

13 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

My Mistake - I remembered Thurman more than Byrd.

My question still stands, and, now, includes Two people. 

Were they not fine people?

You haven't mentioned Byrd here by name either. Who did you mention him to and what exactly did they say?

 

I really don't get why you're asking anyone here to defend the opposing point of view in a conversation you seem to have had somewhere else with someone else.

[SkyDekker 1,121]

Anybody catch the Trump interview on ABC? How do people keep seeing leadership qualities in this guy?

[turtlespeed 212]

53 minutes ago, jakee said:

You haven't mentioned Byrd here by name either. Who did you mention him to and what exactly did they say?

 

I really don't get why you're asking anyone here to defend the opposing point of view in a conversation you seem to have had somewhere else with someone else.

One doesn't have to mention someone by name to refer to them in a post.

Last post on the first page of the Pity thread.

 

Because - On one hand a KKK member and recruiter (retired) is OK, he did so many good things.  On the other, Trump said there is a comment out there regarding "Fine People".

The statement Trump made is thrown about incredulously.  I gave an example where a democrat, elected official is the embodiment of what I understand to be Trumps meaning when he said it.

He is still a fine person, no?

Edited May 6, 2020 by turtlespeed

[wolfriverjoe 1,340]

48 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

Anybody catch the Trump interview on ABC? How do people keep seeing leadership qualities in this guy?

You've got to remember that these are simple farmers. These are people of the land, the common clay of the New West. You know, morons - The Waco Kid.

And they admire his 'better qualities'.

How he denigrates and insults those who oppose him, his admiration of Nazis, the KKK & Kim Jong Un, his denial of science and actual knowledge, his 'helping' of friends and family, his blatant racism.

[jakee 1,254]

21 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

One doesn't have to mention someone by name to refer to them in a post.

Last post on the first page of the Pity thread.

Ah yes, found it. Funny thing I also found though - no one replied to the post. He was never mentioned again in the thread for good or bad.

 

So once again, I'm wondering why anyone here has to defend this side of the conversation "He was summarily defended and all his good works were put forth, and excuses galore were made" when it is not a conversation you had with anyone on the public forums of this site.

[turtlespeed 212]

6 minutes ago, jakee said:

Ah yes, found it. Funny thing I also found though - no one replied to the post. He was never mentioned again in the thread for good or bad.

 

So once again, I'm wondering why anyone here has to defend this side of the conversation "He was summarily defended and all his good works were put forth, and excuses galore were made" when it is not a conversation you had with anyone on the public forums of this site.

You are wrong again - dig deeper.  It was replied to, just not quoted.

Edited May 6, 2020 by turtlespeed

[jakee 1,254]

6 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

You are wrong again - dig deeper.  It was replied to, just not quoted.

Ah, ok then. So one guy posted and said he was a racist bastard but at least he got funding for WV by keeping a military base there. Again, when you said "excuses galore" were made and that he was said to be a very fine person I was really expecting something more. Do you really feel that you've given an honest account of what happened there?

[kallend 1,623]

Fantastic choice of music:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/06/trump-live-and-let-die-mask-factory-video

[wmw999 2,121]

3 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

My Mistake - I remembered Thurman more than Byrd.

My question still stands, and, now, includes Two people. 

Were they not fine people?

I believe I addressed your comment.

Quote

He did good things, as do at times pretty much all racists and segregationists, even now. But the context is very different, being a hard-over racist now, and one in the 1930's South Carolina. It's bigger now. 

Wendy P.

[turtlespeed 212]

43 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

I believe I addressed your comment.

Wendy P.

As always, I appreciate your input.

I'm looking for others to discuss this.

 

[jakee 1,254]

9 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

As always, I appreciate your input.

I'm looking for others to discuss this.

I wouldn't call him a very fine person. He appeared to honestly regret his past but that's not enough on its own to flip the scales all the way back. And being born into a racist culture is one thing, taking it to the extreme of wanting to start a KKK chapter is another, no matter how young and impressionable he was at the time. 

 

But again though, he renounced his racism decades ago. So even if he did qualify for being a very fine person later on in life, I don't see how that connects to what you say here: "I gave an example where a democrat, elected official is the embodiment of what I understand to be Trumps meaning when he said it." 

 

Trump was talking about a crowd of people involved in a racist march now. Not people who used to do racist stuff years ago but have changed, but people who were doing it in the present. No matter what anyone thinks of Byrd now, the relevant question would be "was he a very fine person when he was in the KKK or filibustering against civil rights" and I think the answer from anyone would be no. I think the answer from Byrd himself was no.

[turtlespeed 212]

13 hours ago, jakee said:

I wouldn't call him a very fine person. He appeared to honestly regret his past but that's not enough on its own to flip the scales all the way back. And being born into a racist culture is one thing, taking it to the extreme of wanting to start a KKK chapter is another, no matter how young and impressionable he was at the time. 

 

But again though, he renounced his racism decades ago. So even if he did qualify for being a very fine person later on in life, I don't see how that connects to what you say here: "I gave an example where a democrat, elected official is the embodiment of what I understand to be Trumps meaning when he said it." 

 

Trump was talking about a crowd of people involved in a racist march now. Not people who used to do racist stuff years ago but have changed, but people who were doing it in the present. No matter what anyone thinks of Byrd now, the relevant question would be "was he a very fine person when he was in the KKK or filibustering against civil rights" and I think the answer from anyone would be no. I think the answer from Byrd himself was no.

I can agree with most of that.

[kallend 1,623]

23 hours ago, airdvr said:

I don't think you actually have to smoke it anymore.  I saw a documentary where you can use some sort of vapor device.

Still awaiting your response:

What emotion do you think most appropriate for an individual who is documented to have told over 18,000 lies in the past 3 years, has been fined $27 MILLION for fraudulent business practices, brags about grabbing women by the pussy and walking in unannounced on Miss Teen USA changing rooms, hires a fixer to pay off a porn star, and claims to be the smartest person in the world ("no-one knows more about ..... than I do")?

 

[airdvr 197]

1 hour ago, kallend said:

Still awaiting your response:

What emotion do you think most appropriate for an individual who is documented to have told over 18,000 lies in the past 3 years, has been fined $27 MILLION for fraudulent business practices, brags about grabbing women by the pussy and walking in unannounced on Miss Teen USA changing rooms, hires a fixer to pay off a porn star, and claims to be the smartest person in the world ("no-one knows more about ..... than I do")?

 

I'd have to consult Melania I guess.

[kallend 1,623]

On 5/6/2020 at 10:30 AM, turtlespeed said:

I don't disagree.  I don't know enough about it other than to say that vaping can cause damage.

Smoking a joint can cause things like emphysema, and COPD.

 

"a joint"?  I suspect it needs to be lots of joints.

[kallend 1,623]

1 hour ago, airdvr said:

I'd have to consult Melania I guess.

I'm not interested in a former porn star's opinion, I'm interested in yours.

[airdvr 197]

32 minutes ago, kallend said:

"a joint"?  I suspect it needs to be lots of joints.

I umm...can assure you it needs to be a lot.  A friend told me.

[airdvr 197]

No one cares what I think.  I'd seriously be interested in how she feels about this.  Looks like she has an HRC sized appetite for power and notability.  Why would she stay with such a scumbag?