SkyDekker 1,121 #301 July 7, 2020 18 hours ago, turtlespeed said: Did it substantially contribute to the atmosphere we have now? Absolutely. Did Trump's efforts have as much to do with it? I have no idea. It doesn't seem likely that it had as large an impact directly. Should we take into account Biden was one person voting for something, which he has since said was a mistake. While Trump personally said this and has since doubled down on it and has never owned up to a mistake? Nah, none of that matters right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #302 July 8, 2020 7 hours ago, SkyDekker said: Should we take into account Biden was one person voting for something, which he has since said was a mistake. While Trump personally said this and has since doubled down on it and has never owned up to a mistake? Nah, none of that matters right? Not really. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 910 #303 July 8, 2020 16 hours ago, SkyDekker said: Should we take into account Biden was one person voting for something, which he has since said was a mistake. While Trump personally said this and has since doubled down on it and has never owned up to a mistake? Nah, none of that matters right? Biden "American politician who served as the 47th vice president of the United States from 2009 to 2017. He represented Delaware in the U.S. Senate from 1973 to 2009." 8 hours ago, turtlespeed said: Not really. trump nah, no comparison to the stupidity and damage to America. Owning up to a mistake is one of the lessor issues with trump. trump will be gone in 118 days and then the pardons for his fellow criminals will pour forth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
okalb 78 #304 July 8, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Phil1111 said: Trump will be gone in 118 days and then the pardons for his fellow criminals will pour forth. The only thing that might be more frightening than President Trump is a Lame Duck President Trump. Edited July 8, 2020 by okalb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,121 #305 July 8, 2020 12 hours ago, turtlespeed said: Not really. Your blatant partisanship has rarely been so succinctly on display. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,391 #306 July 9, 2020 33 minutes ago, RobertMBlevins said: There is a BIG difference between socialism and a check from the government because you are suddenly out of work through no fault of your own. It's like disaster relief money. Well, socialism is a system where the government controls the manufacture and distribution of goods and services. The US military, the CDC, Air Traffic Control and the US highway system are all socialist. Public utilities are a hybrid - usually privately owned, and usually under government control. "Socialism is where the government guarantees you a minimum income" - that's UBI, universal basic income, and it's been talked about a LOT. That's not true socialism either because the government has no control over anything. All they do is print checks. It's closer to communism; an economic system where everything is communally owned. (In this case, only a small part of the total economic output of the US would be considered "communally owned" and distributed to people.) Quote In fact, the pandemic is WORSE than most of the natural disasters we have suffered since say...1900. . . ..About the only thing we have to compare to the present situation is the 1919 influenza pandemic Definitely agreed there. That caused almost 700,000 deaths in the US - and would likely be closer to 200,000 if they had had modern medicine to support the worst cases. Quote Right now NOBODY knows what will happen over the next year or two, because we haven't seen much like this before. Yep. And as far as I can tell, no one in charge right now even has a plan for what might happen. (Other than "reopen!") Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 910 #307 August 6, 2020 A growing side effect of the pandemic: Permanent job loss "Tens of millions of Americans have lost their jobs in the coronavirus recession, but for many of them the news is getting even worse: Their positions are going away forever. Permanent losses have so far made up only a fraction of the jobs that have vanished since states began shutting down their economies in March, with the vast majority of unemployed workers classified as on temporary layoff. But those numbers are steadily increasing — reaching 2.9 million in June — as companies start to move from temporary layoffs to permanent cuts. The number is widely expected to rise further when the Labor Department reports July data on Friday." All just a part of trump's management of the economy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,381 #308 August 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Phil1111 said: All just a part of trump's management of the economy. He is just keeping his campaign promise to run the country like he ran his businesses! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,391 #309 August 6, 2020 6 hours ago, Phil1111 said: A growing side effect of the pandemic: Permanent job loss "Tens of millions of Americans have lost their jobs in the coronavirus recession, but for many of them the news is getting even worse: Their positions are going away forever. Do what the White House says - just "Find Something New!" Ivanka did; why can't those lazy socialists work for once in their lives? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
