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4 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

I think that's good for you.  It makes you feel superior. You keep thinking that.

And you crowing just now about how stupid they must be, you don't think you're superior to that? When you compared them to junkies and said they're a special type of person that wasn't superiority?

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3 hours ago, jakee said:

you think all the poison centres reporting massive influxes of calls about disinfectant are lying about it?

I'm not surprised that there has been a spike in poison control calls given all the makeshit sanitizers and all the bored kids at home, many of which may not be supervised.  The real question is how many are directly related to Trump's comments.

Edited by Coreece
I meant 'makeshift' not 'makeshit' but it was too funny for me to correct.

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14 minutes ago, Coreece said:

I'm not surprised that there has been a spike in poison control calls given all the makeshit sanitizers and all the bored kids at home, many of which may not be supervised.  The real question is how many are directly related to Trump's comments.

Well, since the kids have been locked down for weeks, and the poison centres were reporting a spike since last Thursday... well... yeah. You figure it out.

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No, Poison Control Calls Aren't Suddenly Spiking After Trump's Disinfectant Comments

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), 28,158 people called U.S. poison control centers about possible exposure to household cleaners in March 2020, compared to 25,021 in March 2019. The number of calls about possible exposure to disinfectants went from 12,801 in March 2019 to 17,392 in March 2020.

The CDC report containing these numbers was released this week, so many have interpreted the data as being related to the Trump disinfectant hoopla. But the CDC data on poison control calls end on March 31.

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10 minutes ago, Coreece said:

The one story I read said that they saw the increase within the last month, not within the last week.

Ah, my mistake. I was conflating it with indiviual accounts from doctors saying they'd had to address queries related to it.

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25 minutes ago, airdvr said:

No, Poison Control Calls Aren't Suddenly Spiking After Trump's Disinfectant Comments

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), 28,158 people called U.S. poison control centers about possible exposure to household cleaners in March 2020, compared to 25,021 in March 2019. The number of calls about possible exposure to disinfectants went from 12,801 in March 2019 to 17,392 in March 2020.

The CDC report containing these numbers was released this week, so many have interpreted the data as being related to the Trump disinfectant hoopla. But the CDC data on poison control calls end on March 31.

Why would there be a spike in March based on comments made in April?

The increases were reported by various states regarding calls to their poison control centres. I am not going to spend time linking stories, since I am dealing with people who think March data disproves that an April event caused something.

 

Edited by SkyDekker

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33 minutes ago, airdvr said:

No, Poison Control Calls Aren't Suddenly Spiking After Trump's Disinfectant Comments

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), 28,158 people called U.S. poison control centers about possible exposure to household cleaners in March 2020, compared to 25,021 in March 2019. The number of calls about possible exposure to disinfectants went from 12,801 in March 2019 to 17,392 in March 2020.

The CDC report containing these numbers was released this week, so many have interpreted the data as being related to the Trump disinfectant hoopla. But the CDC data on poison control calls end on March 31.

From NPR:

New York City says its poison control center received a higher-than-normal number of calls in the day after President Trump speculated that injecting household disinfectants could be a coronavirus treatment.

The city's Department of Health and Mental Hygiene said that in an 18-hour period ending at 3 p.m. Friday, the poison control center recorded 30 cases. These included nine "specifically about exposure to Lysol, 10 cases specifically about bleach and 11 cases about exposures to other household cleaners," department spokesperson Pedro F. Frisneda tells NPR. That compares with only 13 cases for the same time frame one year ago.

From The Hill:

Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (D) and Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan (R) also said on Sunday that emergency hotlines in their states recorded an increase in calls from people looking for guidance since Trump’s controversial remarks.

“We have seen an increase in numbers of people calling poison control, and so I think it’s really important that every one of us with a platform disseminate medically accurate information,” Whitmer said. 

“I want to say, unequivocally no one should be using disinfectant, to digest it to fight COVID-19,” she continued. “Please don’t do it. Just don’t do it.”

Hogan said his state saw “hundreds of calls come into our emergency hotline at our health department asking if it was right to ingest Clorox or alcohol cleaning products, whether that was going to help them fight the virus.”

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3 minutes ago, billvon said:

 

From The Hill:

Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (D) and Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan (R) also said on Sunday that emergency hotlines in their states recorded an increase in calls from people looking for guidance since Trump’s controversial remarks.

 

That sounds to me like his comments were unclear to those people, and needed to be clarified by someone they considered as a medical professional, doesn't it?

I mean, that's why I would call and ask questions.  It seems pretty logical.

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52 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

That sounds to me like his comments were unclear to those people, and needed to be clarified by someone they considered as a medical professional, doesn't it?

I mean, that's why I would call and ask questions.  It seems pretty logical.

Oh, ok, now you think it's plausible that his meaning was unclear to people? So can we expect a retraction of the past 5 pages of you insisting that there is no way anyone culd possibly think Trump might have been suggesting that people drink bleach, along with everything else you've just walked back?

 

Do you also not see it as an issue that his comments may have caused time and effort to be used by by those agencies, at a point when there resources are likely to be already stretched way past normal bounds? 

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2 minutes ago, jakee said:

Do you also not see it as an issue that his comments may have caused time and effort to be used by by those agencies, at a point when there resources are likely to be already stretched way past normal bounds? 

Or that if you are a staunch supporter of smaller government, you should also be opposed to a government needlessly making more work for themselves?

That if you want smaller government, you should want preparedness and a systematic approach. Not shooting from the hip, sending government employees on wild goose chases?

That as a strong proponent of smaller government you have a very thorough understanding of sunk costs principles?

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2 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

That sounds to me like his comments were unclear to those people, and needed to be clarified by someone they considered as a medical professional, doesn't it?

I mean, that's why I would call and ask questions.  It seems pretty logical.

Can't be.  We have heard from Trump supporters that he didn't say anything about injecting or drinking disinfectant, and that anyone who even considers that is too stupid to live.

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27 minutes ago, billvon said:

Can't be.  We have heard from Trump supporters that he didn't say anything about injecting or drinking disinfectant, and that anyone who even considers that is too stupid to live.

Keep grasping at straws and avoiding your real problem...no one on the dem side to beat Trump.  I can feel the fear in your posts.

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1 minute ago, airdvr said:

Keep grasping at straws and avoiding your real problem...no one on the dem side to beat Trump.  I can feel the fear in your posts.

You don't think handling the Covid-19 pandemic is a real problem?

 

Christ alive, if you're back to thinking it's all a media scare job I don't even know what to say to you.

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3 minutes ago, airdvr said:

Keep grasping at straws and avoiding your real problem...

The fact that you think the presidential election is the real problem, rather than 63,952 dead Americans (and tens of thousands more to come) says . . . a lot about your priorities.

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28 minutes ago, billvon said:

We have heard from Trump supporters that he didn't say anything about injecting or drinking disinfectant, and that anyone who even considers that is too stupid to live.

There is only one person in this forum that I know of lately that has said anything remotely close to that, and he isn't a Trump supporter.

"Let them infect each other, get lots of people sick all at once, overwhelm the health care system and die."

https://www.dropzone.com/forums/topic/267518-covid-19/?do=findComment&comment=4891988

 

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8 minutes ago, billvon said:

The fact that you think the presidential election is the real problem, rather than 63,952 dead Americans (and tens of thousands more to come) says . . . a lot about your priorities.

Given the Federal pressure and prevention of reporting and testing at State levels AND Federal levels....the number could very possibly painfully stunning.

I'm starting to think we could trust China, NoKo, and maybe even Russia more than we can currently trust the US government.

It's beyond belief to realize what has really happened since Trump World started.

Edited by normiss

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2 minutes ago, Coreece said:

There is only one person in this forum that I know of lately that has said anything remotely close to that, and he isn't a Trump supporter.

"Let them infect each other, get lots of people sick all at once, overwhelm the health care system and die."

That comment has no connection whatsoever to the disinfectant situation.

 

On the other hand, Turtlespeed has called them stupid and said it would be solely their fault if anyone gets harmed by it, and he is a Trump supporter.

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12 minutes ago, billvon said:

The fact that you think the presidential election is the real problem, rather than 63,952 dead Americans (and tens of thousands more to come) says . . . a lot about your priorities.

I said your real problem...not mine.

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16 minutes ago, jakee said:

You don't think handling the Covid-19 pandemic is a real problem?

Christ alive, if you're back to thinking it's all a media scare job I don't even know what to say to you.

The spittle laced diatribes here blaming Trump for all the world's ills is proof enough for me that you're  slowly coming to the realization that you'll have to suffer 4 more years.

I don't think it's a media scare job.  I think it's a serious problem that has been overblown by the media.  So do many.

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1 minute ago, jakee said:
6 minutes ago, Coreece said:

There is only one person in this forum that I know of lately that has said anything remotely close to that, and he isn't a Trump supporter.

"Let them infect each other, get lots of people sick all at once, overwhelm the health care system and die."

That comment has no connection whatsoever to the disinfectant situation.

But it does have a connection to the covid crisis and people he considers stupid, which is what Bill was referring to. 

 

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2 minutes ago, airdvr said:

I don't think it's a media scare job.  I think it's a serious problem that has been overblown by the media.  So do many.

Many people also think Trump is a great president, that America was founded with the purpose of being a Christian nation, and that the media is entirely composed of liars who support the liberal agenda. Well, except for Fox and Rush, those bastions of honest journalism.

Wendy P.

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