covid-19

[BIGUN 1,050]

44 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

How did this get researched, funded and published

Last page - notes on disclosures. 

[wmw999 2,116]

4 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

Last page - notes on disclosures. 

Really Bigun — adding actual information to an SC discussion? How gauche!

Wendy P. 

[SkyDekker 1,121]

6 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

Last page - notes on disclosures. 

I will now spend the next 5 pages arguing why you only partially quoted me.

[BIGUN 1,050]

1 minute ago, SkyDekker said:

I will now spend the next 5 pages arguing why you only partially quoted me.

Sorry <hangs head>

[wolfriverjoe 1,340]

22 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

How did this get researched, funded and published since everybody is only focused on vaccines?

Lots of stuff is being researched.

Prevention, improved testing, improved treatments, recovery for people who have long-term issues (Long Covid). all sorts of different things.

Because the vax is preventative (it should be given to everyone, not just the sick people), and because the idiots have politicized it and put it at the front of the news, it's getting all the attention.

[JoeWeber 2,294]

On 1/21/2022 at 10:16 AM, gowlerk said:

Yes, that would be unethical. It is also unethical to deliberately place yourself in harms way knowing that you could end up placing a strain on the over burdened hospital that could result in someone else not being able to get a badly needed ICU bed. Like doing BASE jumps and even sometimes skydiving unnecessarily. Is it ethical that high ranking members of society get first call on scarce resources like the latest anti-virals? The whole US healthcare system is based on ability to pay. Is that ethical?

There are no absolute answers.

Which implies that there are no valid questions and blah, blah, blah. Base and Skydiving bring customers to the emergency rooms, absolutely. But in minuscule numbers compared to the whole. Blending those with pandemic numbers is both fallacious and specious. (normally I wouldn't use those words but I'm fishing for a like from Winsor)

[billvon 2,384]

1 hour ago, JoeWeber said:

Which implies that there are no valid questions and blah, blah, blah. Base and Skydiving bring customers to the emergency rooms, absolutely. But in minuscule numbers compared to the whole. Blending those with pandemic numbers is both fallacious and specious. 

Now that is very erudite bloviation!

[JoeWeber 2,294]

12 minutes ago, billvon said:

Now that is very erudite bloviation!

Yep. You can see why I like my chances.

[kallend 1,621]

Unvaccinated guy uses scarce resources, dies anyway.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/01/23/ventilator-lawsuit-death/

 

[wolfriverjoe 1,340]

2 hours ago, kallend said:

Unvaccinated guy uses scarce resources, dies anyway.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/01/23/ventilator-lawsuit-death/

 

2 1/2 months in ICU.

Last I heard, unvaxed on a vent have about a 20% survival rate. 
Once it gets bad enough that the vent is needed, the patient is pretty much a goner.

Although it's not going to happen, I'd just love to see this level of care denied the unvaxed, unless there's some to spare.
They're overtaxing the hospitals & staff.

And then they have the balls to say "they didn't take good enough care of him".

Bitch, if he'd 'taken enough care' to get vaxed, this would not have ended this way.

[kallend 1,621]

NEW YORK, Jan 24 (Reuters) - Sarah Palin, the 2008 Republican U.S. vice presidential candidate and former Alaska governor, has tested positive for the coronavirus, as she had been set to begin a defamation trial against The New York Times on Monday.

Palin's positive test was announced by U.S. District Judge Jed Rakoff in Manhattan, who is presiding over the case.

"She is of course unvaccinated," the judge said, referring to Palin.

[Phil1111 908]

3 minutes ago, kallend said:

NEW YORK, Jan 24 (Reuters) - Sarah Palin, the 2008 Republican U.S. vice presidential candidate and former Alaska governor, has tested positive for the coronavirus, as she had been set to begin a defamation trial against The New York Times on Monday.

Palin's positive test was announced by U.S. District Judge Jed Rakoff in Manhattan, who is presiding over the case.

"She is of course unvaccinated," the judge said, referring to Palin.

In an updated story. Her lawyer stated that after a short treatment of ivermectin she will be ready to proceed.

[JerryBaumchen 1,047]

Hi folks,

No tears from me:  Unvaccinated man denied heart transplant by Boston hospital - BBC News

Serves him right.

Jerry Baumchen

[wmw999 2,116]

10 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi folks,

No tears from me:  Unvaccinated man denied heart transplant by Boston hospital - BBC News

Serves him right.

Jerry Baumchen

It's a waste, and I'm sorry for him and his family, but it is a natural consequence, and entirely within the judgment criteria for a transplant team. There's a lot of compliance required for an organ. People who are against compliance are poor candidates, and if a person can be rejected because they live alone and aren't organized, then can certainly be rejected if they are unwilling to take steps to maximize their life.

An obituary in the local paper was about a man in his 50's who had a heart transplant in 1986, and another one in 2009. In the meantime he finished college, married, had a job and family, and in general lived life to the fullest, while doing the myriad of things that are required to support a transplanted organ. That's a best-case result. My SIL who used to be a transplant coordinator said that if she ever needs dialysis or a transplant, she plans to reject them and just die, because it's a tough life.

Wendy P.

[JerryBaumchen 1,047]

Hi folks,

Our own form of insanity:  Yamhill County commissioner threatens her own health department for failing to discredit COVID-19 vaccines (msn.com)

Starrett has been a right-wing nut case for a long time.  Just more of the same.

Jerry Baumchen

[kallend 1,621]

3 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi folks,

Our own form of insanity:  Yamhill County commissioner threatens her own health department for failing to discredit COVID-19 vaccines (msn.com)

Starrett has been a right-wing nut case for a long time.  Just more of the same.

Jerry Baumchen

I have reached the opinion that anything that discourages Republicans and other right wingers from getting vaccinated is good for the nation and the world.

[billvon 2,384]

3 hours ago, kallend said:

I have reached the opinion that anything that discourages Republicans and other right wingers from getting vaccinated is good for the nation and the world.

In another month or so, the combination of:

1) A less-deadly but more contagious variant infecting most Americans and conferring some short term immunity
2) That reduction in deadliness for the infected
3) The ~80% vaccination rate in the US and
4) The availability of molnupiravir and similar antivirals, as well as better standards of care

will mean that the pandemic will be effectively over, at least until the next worse variant comes along.  Which could take weeks, months - or years.

I have two additional predictions.

1) Right wingers will declare "See?  We were RIGHT about masks and vaccines and ivermectin!  Fauci should be SHOT!"
2) We will stop vaccinating in developing countries because "the pandemic is over and gas prices are too high" - and that's where the next variant will come from.  

[wolfriverjoe 1,340]

On a positive note, the battle against misinformation has taken a couple steps forward.

Dan Bongino has been permanently banned by YouTube. 
He was suspended a couple weeks ago for misinformation, and then tried to get around that ban by using other channels (sock puppets anyone?).

So now he's gone forever (at least from there).
https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/youtube-permanently-bans-fox-news-host-dan-bongino-2022-01-26/

On a slightly different note, Neil Young has removed all of his material from Spotify. 
It's in protest over Spotify hosting Joe Rogan's misinformation.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/26/entertainment/neil-young-spotify/index.html

[DougH 270]

I found this podcast to be an interesting listen.  

 

 

[ryoder 1,381]

NYC mayor’s office says anyone in contact with Sarah Palin should be tested for Covid

And to think this was the fool McCain chose for a running mate. [facepalm]

[wmw999 2,116]

Oh, I doubt she was his first pick.

Wendy P.

[JerryBaumchen 1,047]

34 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

Oh, I doubt she was his first pick.

Wendy P.

Hi Wendy,

I think she was.  If you have not seen it, this is a good movie about her selection:  Game Change (film) - Wikipedia

Jerry Baumchen

[BIGUN 1,050]

3 hours ago, wmw999 said:

Oh, I doubt she was his first pick.

Agreed, I think it was party pressure to challenge the opposition at the time and was a bad strategy. 

[gowlerk 1,903]

43 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

Agreed, I think it was party pressure to challenge the opposition at the time and was a bad strategy. 

Palin was picked to pander to the people who later became known as the deplorables, but are really the more religious and conservative activists who did not really trust McCain because he was too moderate. And she did appeal to them. But she turned off others in a way eerily similar to the way Hilary turned turned off other people. Both scary women. 

[kallend 1,621]

18 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

Palin was picked to pander to the people who later became known as the deplorables, but are really the more religious and conservative activists who did not really trust McCain because he was too moderate. And she did appeal to them. But she turned off others in a way eerily similar to the way Hilary turned turned off other people. Both scary women. 

Hillary scared those men  who are scared of women smarter than they are.

Palin was just scary like any wacko.