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2 hours ago, billeisele said:

An interesting perspective - 

It is nothing but a whole lot of wishful thinking with nothing at all backing it up. It is so meaningless that I am not sure why I even read it. Just what are you trying to promote with this post?

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1 hour ago, winsor said:

While I agree that the data support only limited efficacy for either Hydroxychloroquine or Ivermectin, the fact is that they are over the counter medications in much of the world. 

The harm comes from making people think that they can rely on these instead of the proven vaccines.

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Just now, gowlerk said:

It is nothing but a whole lot of wishful thinking with nothing at all backing it up. It is so meaningless that I am not sure why I even read it. Just what are you trying to promote with this post?

The same stuff he's been posting for the past couple weeks.

The same stuff the anti-science, anti-establishment folks have been pushing since the beginning.

 

As was noted, the places Ivermectin has shown to be effective are places where parasites are common.
So the reality that the Ivermectin is treating the parasites (duh) and that makes the person more healthy and robust, giving them a better chance of fighting off Covid doesn't seem to be registering.
Add in a bunch of 'wishful thinking' and projection.

That's why people are dying by the thousands.

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1 hour ago, winsor said:

While I agree that the data support only limited efficacy for either Hydroxychloroquine or Ivermectin, the fact is that they are over the counter medications in much of the world.  Taken in nontoxic doses, they are no big deal.  Bourbon or cigarettes are much more of a threat, and you can get them pretty much anywhere.

The bottom line is that, like chicken soup for the recently deceased, it can't hurt.

That is horseshit, a big pile of it too.

The problem is that these ineffective cures are being supported by fucktards to the exclusion of actual effective medical treatments that limit severe sickness and death. It does hurt when you support quack cures and refuse legit ones.

I personal believe scotch and cigars treats covid, because I like them, but that can't hurt anyone else in an acute sense because I also advocate for vaccines, and I am fully vaccinated and recently boosted.

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4 hours ago, winsor said:

While I agree that the data support only limited efficacy for either Hydroxychloroquine or Ivermectin, the fact is that they are over the counter medications in much of the world. 

If someone really feels the need to take something that doesn't work to make them feel like clever rebels fighting the orthodoxy, I suggest a mixture of ascorbic acid, ergocalciferol and cholecalciferol.  It sounds complex and intelligent, and it will do more good more often than ivermectin for COVID.  Unless, of course, you have worms - in which case ivermectin is a much better choice.

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 I go with vaccines as a matter of course, even though I am one of the people who had a breakthrough case of Polio (not fun) after receiving an early vaccine

Heck, that's nothing.  One early polio vaccine killed 10 kids and paralyzed 200.  And they weren't very effective, as you discovered.

How odd that a vaccine that's not as effective as the current COVID vaccines, and that was far more dangerous, actually ended polio in the US.  And even odder that this vaccine, which is much more effective against a much more deadly disease, is so reviled by the right wing (not talking about you here.)

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6 hours ago, billeisele said:

“Let’s open this thing up to all the different mechanisms,” said Carson, a renowned neurosurgeon who was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom—the highest civilian award in the nation—in 2008 for his work. He retired in 2013 and ran for the presidency in 2016, before serving as the secretary of Housing and Urban Development during the Trump administration.

To be a decent surgeon you need good eyes, excellent dexterity, and a good memory for anatomy.  Many excellent surgeons are skilled technicians, not scientists.  Anyway, why would a retired neurosurgeon/political hack be more qualified to discuss an infectious disease than practicing specialists in immunology/virology/infectious disease?  Would anyone who gives this hack any credibility also choose their podiatrist to do brain surgery?

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9 hours ago, billeisele said:

An interesting perspective - 

Pandemic Could Be Solved Quickly If Politics Thrown Out: Dr. Ben Carson

BY HARRY LEE AND JAN JEKIELEK 
December 16, 2021 Updated: December 16, 2021gersmaller 
 
“Let’s throw the politics out. We could solve this problem pretty quickly,” he stated in an interview that will premiere on Dec. 18 at 7 p.m. New York time.

 

Agreed 100%.  This pandemic could be solved quickly if politics are thrown out.

First, get EVERYONE vaccinated.  Period.  Both here and abroad.  Ditch the political whining and just do it.  It's the most potent weapon we have against new infections.

Second, continue the research on everything.  Research is how we know vaccines work.  Research is how we know that respirators and ECMO helps.  Research is how we know remdesivir and molupiravir work - not great, but they work.  Research is how we know monoclonal antibodies work.  Research is how we know hydroxychloroquine works for malaria, but doesn't work for COVID.  Research is how we know ivermectin works for parasites, but not COVID.  He should inform himself on that research so he can speak more intelligently about the benefits and risks.

Third, use NPI's like masking to slow down the spread.  The goal is not perfection - it is getting Re below 1.  Ditch all the political "oh my FACIAL FREEDUM!" nonsense and just do it.  Many doctors wear masks six hours a day.  

Some funny claims in that article.  He claims that there are statements out there being used to "manipulate and frighten people.”  Because people must be protected from scary things, I guess.  Cancel scary statements!  Then he says "COVID is a virus. Viruses mutate. That’s what they do. And they will continue to mutate."  Sounds scary!   I am thinking he just wants statements that disagree with his opinions cancelled.

"We have a situation where you have the government advocating that children be vaccinated, even though the risk for death for a child with COVID is 0.025 percent, essentially the same as it is for seasonal flu. You don’t see us doing all this every year for seasonal flu" - Actually you do see just that.  The CDC recommends flu vaccinations for all kids.  Since the flu isn't killing 400,000 people a year, it's a little more important in the case of COVID vaccines.

So yes, we could beat this pretty quickly if we could get rid of the politics and just use all the excellent tools we have right now to stop the pandemic.  Are you in? 

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Alberta court settles COVID-19 vaccine dispute between Lethbridge, Alta. parents

The parties have not been named, but both parents had joint custody over the children and decided each child would receive all of their routine childhood immunizations and annual flu shots.

However, once the COVID-19 vaccination was available for each of the children, the decision over the shot ended in a dispute that resulted in legal action.

 

So vaccinations for the less common diseases are OK, but a vaccination for a disease spreading in a global pandemic is not. How the anti-vaxxer mind works is a complete mystery to me.

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19 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi nwt,

Hmmm, just how does one pursue 'natural immunity?'

Jerry Baumchen

By catching it, of course. And being one of the lucky people who survives without longterm problems or medical bills, who doesn't pass it on to anyone else who might suffer from longterm problems or medical bills, who doesn't impact the medical system where they live, and who then get good immunity from their disease. Note that immunity isn't guaranteed for COVID any more than it is for the common cold.

Wendy P.

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I think we need to take another look at the way we're keeping score.  The parameters are the same as they were pre-vaccine.  A lot of it doesn't make sense anymore.  We need different information.

Much of this is due to the fact that I'm wearing my Browns jersey to the game Saturday in case I'm needed. :blank:

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5 minutes ago, airdvr said:

I think we need to take another look at the way we're keeping score.  The parameters are the same as they were pre-vaccine.  A lot of it doesn't make sense anymore.  We need different information.

The US system of reporting data suffers greatly from differences in how individual states report. I have found that many other western nations provide more valuable information. Pay attention to the BBC World coverage for an easy way to access some of this. 

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1 hour ago, wmw999 said:

By catching it, of course. And being one of the lucky people who survives without longterm problems or medical bills, who doesn't pass it on to anyone else who might suffer from longterm problems or medical bills, who doesn't impact the medical system where they live, and who then get good immunity from their disease. Note that immunity isn't guaranteed for COVID any more than it is for the common cold.

Wendy P.

So if I want to avoid getting COVID, I should just get COVID? Well, that makes complete sense!

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2 hours ago, ryoder said:

So vaccinations for the less common diseases are OK, but a vaccination for a disease spreading in a global pandemic is not. How the anti-vaxxer mind works is a complete mystery to me.

It's identity politics in action.  Politicians have made it clear that faithful republicans do NOT wear masks or get vaccines.  That's now part of their identity.  They are independent free thinkers not beholden to the orthodoxy!  At least, not any orthodoxy that their leaders identify as "liberal."  Those liberal orthodoxies include COVID vaccines and masking - but not other vaccines.

So in their mind there is no conflict.

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42 minutes ago, billvon said:

It's identity politics in action.  Politicians have made it clear that faithful republicans do NOT wear masks or get vaccines.  That's now part of their identity.  They are independent free thinkers not beholden to the orthodoxy!  At least, not any orthodoxy that their leaders identify as "liberal."  Those liberal orthodoxies include COVID vaccines and masking - but not other vaccines.

So in their mind there is no conflict.

In Tennessee it seems all childhood immunizations will now be treated as liberal conspiracies.

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I think it's just naked tribalism.

Some time ago I was reading about religious (=tribal) rules.  The point of these rules is to distinguish members of "your" tribe (or religion) from others, so the rules have to be unusual (or weird) enough that no other tribe would accidentally come up with the same rule.  For this reason rules about how you wear your hair, or clothing, or what foods you can/cannot eat often don't make sense, as their only real function is to make it obvious to everyone that you belong to tribe "X".  Often the rules are burdensome to follow, for example banning perfectly good foods, so you really have to work to prove you belong to that tribe.

I think in 2021 Republicans are a tribe, and to prove you belong you have to forego logic, common sense, and science, and instead commit to lies, nonsense, and Trump.

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