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1 hour ago, gowlerk said:

Remember that young pilot I had who would not get vaccinated because her family didn’t want her to? She just threw off some of the Mennonite shackles and got a dose of Pfizer. But she got it a hundred miles away from home and is not telling anyone!

I’m pretty sure that would not have happened if I had not “mandated” the vaccine for all our staff. 

Anyone can mandate anything, but would you have been an asshole about it? I know that most DZO's are total assholes but now and again someone doesn't get the program.

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51 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Anyone can mandate anything, but would you have been an asshole about it? I know that most DZO's are total assholes but now and again someone doesn't get the program.

I removed her from the schedule for the last month. Told her to call me if she changed her mind. A month later she did. Is that asshole enough? I took a fair bit of flack from some jumpers and one of my partners. I told them they could take over as Ops manager if they wanted to. None of them did.

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Conway Regional Health System - Religious Exemption Attestation for COVID-19 Vaccine:

 

Wikipedia: HEK 293 cells

HEK 293 cells were generated in 1973 by transfection of cultures of normal human embryonic kidney cells with sheared adenovirus 5 DNA in Alex van der Eb's laboratory in Leiden, the Netherlands. The cells were obtained from a single, aborted or miscarried fetus, the precise origin of which is unclear.

 

So you are an anti-vaxxer who wants to avoid any drug tested or developed with that cell line? Well take a look at the prescription drug section (2nd list) in this article and note numbers 12, 13, and 15:

Patheos: If Any Drug tested on HEK-293 Is Immoral, Goodbye Modern Medicine

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5 hours ago, ryoder said:

So you are an anti-vaxxer who wants to avoid any drug tested or developed with that cell line?

I wonder how many anti-vaxxers have that as a reason for their reluctance?   I've seen it as a meme on the HCA reddit thread, but not very often.  I doubt (with absolutely no basis ;-)  that it comprises a double-digit percentage of all sarscov2 anti-vaxxers.

 

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5 hours ago, headoverheels said:

I wonder how many anti-vaxxers have that as a reason for their reluctance?   I've seen it as a meme on the HCA reddit thread, but not very often.  I doubt (with absolutely no basis ;-)  that it comprises a double-digit percentage of all sarscov2 anti-vaxxers.

Agree that it's unlikely to be more than single-digit. I'd go further and say it's probably less than 1%. Spoke to an antivaxxer on the phone yesterday - when I asked if he got vaccinated, he pretty much came out with a lot of bogus stats ("most people have already had it and not known it") and implied that people who take it are both risking their lives and also government bootlickers. Need to cover all bases, right?

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Hi folks,

The evolving GOP:  a conservative Republican governor named Rick Perry signed an executive order( that ) made his state the first in the country to mandate a vaccine 

The GOP’s halting, uneven journey toward becoming the anti-vaccine mandate party (msn.com)

Looks to me like the GOP is 'progressing' in reverse.  Time to try a forward gear, guys.

Jerry Baumchen

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On 9/10/2021 at 8:52 AM, kallend said:

I fail to see why "a sincerely held belief" in an invisible sky-zombie or other fictitious entity should permit anyone to put their fellow humans at risk of disease.

You mean like the Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, or the Great Pumpkin.

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United Airlines has issued it's policy on those who have a 'valid reason' to refuse the vaccine.

They don't get fired.

Those claiming a religious exemption get unpaid leave.
Those who have a valid medical reason get temporary medical leave.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/united-airlines-staff-who-are-granted-religious-exemptions-vaccine-mandate-n1278782?cid=sm_npd_ms_fb_ma&fbclid=IwAR32UdnYA0CQkXZJQ2_iWkkK-RNxJWcHMceFOXRbBAOcOTKMCq8EIBakouw

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On 9/11/2021 at 9:28 PM, airdvr said:

Bottom line is you'll never, ever convince him and his ilk to get the vax and trying to force them will make things worse.

Perhaps, but you have your own choices to make.  I won't have any guests at my home who have not been vaccinated.  If your friend chooses to remain a carrier, that's his decision.  You can choose not to hang out with people who are 10x more likely to carry, transmit, and mutate the virus, which ultimately would exponentially increase the risks to you and your family.  Your justifications should be given the same respect as you're giving to his.

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2 hours ago, TriGirl said:

Perhaps, but you have your own choices to make.  I won't have any guests at my home who have not been vaccinated.  If your friend chooses to remain a carrier, that's his decision.  You can choose not to hang out with people who are 10x more likely to carry, transmit, and mutate the virus, which ultimately would exponentially increase the risks to you and your family.  Your justifications should be given the same respect as you're giving to his.

My wife has a compromised immune system, made worse by immunomodulatory drugs she is on.  She's had 3 doses of Moderna, but was only at about the 2% percentile for antibodies after the 2nd dose.  She is sad that she may never see one of her best friends again (they are not local, but still got together), because her friend is not getting vaccinated.   Same for another friend.  I wouldn't modify my behavior as much (only one very slight comorbidity, normal immune, not overly concerned), but I absolutely must avoid picking up anything (even common cold) and passing it on to her.  Sigh.  I will get a 3rd dose myself, as soon as it is authorized.   I could just claim to be immunocompromized and get the 3rd -- it wouldn't get questioned, but will wait a couple of weeks to see what authorizations come down the pike.

 

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Bob Enyart, conservative firebrand and pastor, dies of COVID-19

In October, Enyart successfully sued the state over mask mandates and capacity limits in churches, a rare legal victory against broad public health mandates instituted during the pandemic.

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On his old TV show, Bob Enyart Live, the host would “gleefully read obituaries of AIDS sufferers while cranking ‘Another One Bites the Dust’ by Queen,” Westword reported.

 

That's a shame.

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Bottom line:   unvaccinated people are approximately 29 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 than those fully vaccinated, and are 16 times more likely to get heart inflammation, known as myocarditis, that can lead to permanent damage of the heart muscle or, in the worst cases, death.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/pdfs/mm7037e1-H.pdf

 

Oh, and 11 times more likely to die than the unvaccinated.

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11 minutes ago, kallend said:

Hospital workers who refuse vaccination SHOULD be fired.  They are ignoring best practice, setting a very poor example, and unethically putting patients and co-workers at risk.

They should face license suspensions as well.

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1 hour ago, ryoder said:

On his old TV show, Bob Enyart Live, the host would “gleefully read obituaries of AIDS sufferers while cranking ‘Another One Bites the Dust’ by Queen,” Westword reported.

 

That's a shame.

Amazon still deliver physical CDs right? I’ve got a gift card that needs spending;)

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43 minutes ago, kallend said:

Hospital workers who refuse vaccination SHOULD be fired.  They are ignoring best practice, setting a very poor example, and unethically putting patients and co-workers at risk.

Some years back I was perusing the local news site from my old hometown and found the story of a nurse at the local hospital who had been fired for refusing an influenza vaccination. 

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On 9/13/2021 at 1:16 PM, TriGirl said:

You can choose not to hang out with people who are 10x more likely to carry, transmit, and mutate the virus, ..

Do you have a citation for that ? I've been struggling to find published consensus on how much more infectious such people are. To be clear; I agree that vaccination is wise and necessary, I was amongst the first 14% in my country to be twice-vacc'ed. I also agree that the unvaccinated place an unnecessary burden on healthcare resources. All good points.

With that being said; some parts of the toxic vitriol being directed to the unvaccinated includes denial of rights (venue admission, employment, public care & services, etc.). Critics who are advocating, in effect, a two-tiered society; those with rights and those without, depending on the documents that you carry, and thereby establishing a new kind of Untermensch . That fundamentally gives me a sense of unease in democratic countries.  Ultimately I believe the greater good of society does trump individual freedoms, as I expect most forum members here do, but it's a bitter choice to have to make.

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1 hour ago, kallend said:

Hospital workers who refuse vaccination SHOULD be fired.  They are ignoring best practice, setting a very poor example, and unethically putting patients and co-workers at risk.

Yep. And the AMA should recommend that, like the Doctor in Tennessee, all Doctors, NP's, PA's should refuse to see unvaccinated patients in their clinics. That would get the ball rolling.

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14 minutes ago, metalslug said:

Critics who are advocating, in effect, a two-tiered society; those with rights and those without, depending on the documents that you carry, and thereby establishing a new kind of Untermensch .

Actually there is no plan to create a "two-tiered society", that is hyperbole. Instead there is a plan to put enough pressure on the unvaccinated to make it much easier for them to just give in and do the right thing. And it is beginning to work. Right now it is still a big issue. A year from now we (and most of them) will be wondering what all the fuss was about as we all get used to our yearly booster shots. 

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