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Interesting research coming from Israel on the difference in immune response between male, female and age, and the difference between those that had COVID and those that took the vaccine. The one definite is there is a lot we don't know.

Israeli research finds COVID-19 antibody levels differ between men and women | The Times of Israel

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On 7/30/2021 at 11:34 PM, Bigfalls said:

I won't disagree with the general numbers but the oldest baby boomers turn 75 this year and the yearly deaths due to their aging is likely to show an increase.

A sudden year on year increase because so many more people die at 75 than 74?

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On 8/1/2021 at 12:07 PM, billeisele said:

He worked in a statewide system and at the end of his career was the acting Director. He was the Deputy Director for a few years prior to that. He was stating what he knew from first hand experience.

What first hand experience of Covid death reporting did he have as a retired person?

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On 8/1/2021 at 3:14 PM, wolfriverjoe said:

Flu deaths were quite low. Pediatric deaths have run 150-200 for the past few years.
2020-2021 had ONE reported death. Not quite 'zero', but close.
CDC:
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weeklyarchives2020-2021/PedFlu05.html
Professor Kallend has stated that he usually caught 3 or 4 colds per year, but the 'anti-viral' measures put in place to mitigate the spread of Covid kept him from catching any. I'm in a similar position. No sickness whatever in the past year and a half. 

Pretty much same experience here. The anti transmission measures do work, and it might actually be quite nice if people start wearing masks in crowded places over winter from now on.

That said I'm not quite sure why Westerly is getting on his high horse about preventable flu deaths when is overall position is that we shouldn't bother doing anything except vaccinating to prevent deaths. I'd also note that in nearly 4 decades on earth without taking any anti virus precautions whatsoever I've caught the flu once, and in 18 months of Covid I've caught that once too despite everything. People are going to have to try really hard to convince me that current flu variants are remotely as transmissable or dangerous as Covid.

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Primary cause along with subsidiary causes (Comorbidities, which I'm thinking is a term you know) can be a bit confusing.
Wendy had it right. Regardless of what other conditions the person had, if they wouldn't have died at that time without catching Covid, then Covid caused the death.
Just because cancer or something made them more vulnerable, that doesn't mean it wasn't Covid that killed them.

Yeah, this is a bit of a sore point with me too. This time last year I started working with a 22 year old kidney transplantee. He was never going to grow old, but he was probably going to grow up, have a life, and have time to do the things most people want to do with their lives. A week before christmas his original disease starting affecting his new kidney and crocked his immune system, just before new year he caught Covid and by mid January he was dead. Some people wanting to score political points will apparently want to say he died of a rare genetic disorder, or he died of organ failure, but with those two things he'd most probably still be here now and his life expectancy would still be measured in years or decades, which is a pretty long time when you're 22. 

I really couldn't care less what other conditions people have that were making them unwell, if they'd have been here now without Covid then Covid killed them, and anyone trying to hide behind stats that argue otherwise needs to cut the bullshit and face reality.

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52 minutes ago, jakee said:

I really couldn't care less what other conditions people have that were making them unwell, if they'd have been here now without Covid then Covid killed them, and anyone trying to hide behind stats that argue otherwise needs to cut the bullshit and face reality.

I don't know that you and I have agreed on anything else in almost twenty years. Well said.  

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2 hours ago, jakee said:

I really couldn't care less what other conditions people have that were making them unwell, if they'd have been here now without Covid then Covid killed them, and anyone trying to hide behind stats that argue otherwise needs to cut the bullshit and face reality.

The excess death rate is pretty damn clear. The argument that people are getting purposely mislabelled is really quite stupid.

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1 hour ago, SkyDekker said:

The excess death rate is pretty damn clear. The argument that people are getting purposely mislabelled is really quite stupid.

There's also the fact that, in the US, a death certificate is a legal document.

Intentionally falsifying them (you know, like the cause of death) is a crime.

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Very irritating that vaccinated people are bearing the burden of trying to protect their fellows by wearing masks, keeping distances, etc. while unvaccinated idiots prance around, publicly burn masks, wave anti-vaccine signs, conduct disinformation campaigns, refuse to mandate mitigation measures, and blatantly discourage anyone from taking any action to protect themselves, their kids, their relatives, their friends, or their fellow Americans.

I have zero sympathy for the unvaccinated who are ending up in the hospital whining and full of regret. But there is a small percentage of vaccinated people who are getting sick  because the unvaccinated are allowing the virus and its mutants to continue to circulate freely because it is finding plenty of unvaccinated hosts.

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17 hours ago, gowlerk said:

That's the chiropractic practice building model.

Sorry I should have said MD's. I wasn't trying to lump quack Chiropractors in there when I said Doctors.

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Good news for those with immune system challenges. Interesting that they call it the CCP virus (Chinese Communist Party).

"the agency [FDA] said the drug combo can now be given to high-risk groups as a measure after exposure to prevent progression of the disease."

FDA Authorizes Antibody Cocktail as COVID-19 Prevention Treatment (theepochtimes.com)

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Problem: The ignorant hicks in your state legislature have made it illegal to require vaccinations at your college.

Solution:

First, the college will require all students to be tested weekly for COVID.

Second, it will charge all students a $500 fee for COVID testing. The college says it must levy this fee since it won’t have federal money this year to offset COVID mitigation costs.

But …

If a student has been vaccinated or chooses to get vaccinated while on campus, they will be exempt from the weekly testing and get a $500 rebate.

Also, unvaccinated students will have to wear masks on campus, as the CDC has said they should, and they will have to quarantine whenever they come in contact with someone who has tested COVID-positive.

Whitmire: How one Alabama college outsmarted the state’s vaccine passport ban

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7 hours ago, billeisele said:

Good news for those with immune system challenges. Interesting that they call it the CCP virus (Chinese Communist Party).

Why is it interesting that the Epoch Times calls it the CCP virus?

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1 hour ago, ryoder said:

Problem: The ignorant hicks in your state legislature have made it illegal to require vaccinations at your college.

Solution:

First, the college will require all students to be tested weekly for COVID.

Second, it will charge all students a $500 fee for COVID testing. The college says it must levy this fee since it won’t have federal money this year to offset COVID mitigation costs.

But …

If a student has been vaccinated or chooses to get vaccinated while on campus, they will be exempt from the weekly testing and get a $500 rebate.

Also, unvaccinated students will have to wear masks on campus, as the CDC has said they should, and they will have to quarantine whenever they come in contact with someone who has tested COVID-positive.

Whitmire: How one Alabama college outsmarted the state’s vaccine passport ban

Hi Robert,

Re:  First, the college will require all students to be tested weekly for COVID.

And, there is this:  Oregon health care workers must get COVID-19 shots or submit to weekly testing, governor says - oregonlive.com

Jerry Baumchen

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1 hour ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi folks,

I think it was Einstein that said something about doing the same thing over & over and expecting different results:  Oregon family reunion leads to COVID-19 outbreak, even among vaccinated - oregonlive.com

Some people just will not learn.

Jerry Baumchen

Maybe not Einstein.

https://quoteinvestigator.com/2017/03/23/same/

And quantum mechanics suggests that doing the exact same thing and getting different results is quite likely.  Heisenberg would probably agree.

 

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10 hours ago, billeisele said:

Good news for those with immune system challenges. Interesting that they call it the CCP virus (Chinese Communist Party).

Fair enough.  And the Delta variant should really be renamed to the GOP variant, due to their support of the virus.

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