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6 hours ago, headoverheels said:

They are reporting only about 33% protection from symptomatic cases in the UK with one dose against the Delta (from India) variant.  Less severe cases and less hospitalization, I would expect.

AHS breaks down vaccination data of COVID-19 Delta variant outbreak at Calgary hospital

People should not piss about on getting their second dose.

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The bottom ten states + DC, by rate of getting at least one dose of vaccine, as of last week.  What do they have in common?

42. South Carolina
Number of people vaccinated with at least one dose: 2,146,016
Percentage of population vaccinated with at least one dose: 41.68

43. West Virginia
Number of people vaccinated with at least one dose: 741,362
Percentage of population vaccinated with at least one dose: 41.37

44. Georgia
Number of people vaccinated with at least one dose: 4,381,496
Percentage of population vaccinated with at least one dose: 41.27

45. Arkansas
Number of people vaccinated with at least one dose: 1,212,579
Percentage of population vaccinated with at least one dose: 40.18

46. Tennessee
Number of people vaccinated with at least one dose: 2,712,829
Percentage of population vaccinated with at least one dose: 39.72

47. Idaho
Number of people vaccinated with at least one dose: 681,257
Percentage of population vaccinated with at least one dose: 38.12

48. Wyoming
Number of people vaccinated with at least one dose: 218,655
Percentage of population vaccinated with at least one dose: 37.78

49. Louisiana
Number of people vaccinated with at least one dose: 1,692,663
Percentage of population vaccinated with at least one dose: 36.41

50. Alabama
Number of people vaccinated with at least one dose: 1,774,535
Percentage of population vaccinated with at least one dose: 36.19

51. Mississippi
Number of people vaccinated with at least one dose: 1,033,418
Percentage of population vaccinated with at least one dose: 34.72

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US Life expectancy goes down - a lot.

https://www.npr.org/2021/06/23/1009611699/the-pandemic-led-to-the-biggest-drop-in-u-s-life-expectancy-since-ww-ii-study-fi

US fares poorly compared with other rich democracies (each of which has universal health care).

The study estimates that the decline in life expectancy was .22 years (or about one-fifth of a year) in a group of 16 peer countries (including Austria, Finland, France, Israel, the Netherlands and the United Kingdom) compared with the nearly two-year decline in the United States.

"The U.S. disadvantage in mortality compared with other high income democracies in 2020 is neither new nor sudden," Barbieri wrote. It appears the pandemic has magnified existing vulnerabilities in U.S. society, she added.

"The range of factors that play into this include income inequality, the social safety net, as well as racial inequality and access to health care," Duke's Curtis said.

So, what's the prognosis going forward in the United States? "I think life expectancy will rebound," Woolf of Virginia Commonwealth said.

But it's unlikely that the U.S. is on course to reverse the trend entirely.

"The U.S. has some of the best hospitals and some of the greatest scientists. But other countries do far better in getting quality medical care to their population," Woolf said. "We have big gaps in getting care to people who need it most, when they need it most."

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On 5/23/2021 at 2:11 PM, kallend said:

Several states, including NY, Maryland and Ohio, are giving lottery tickets as incentives to holdouts to get vaccinated.

I'm all in favor of incentives that apply to all those who have been vaccinated, such as opening access to events and locations, but rewarding holdouts seems to me likely to encourage more holdouts  looking for an even bigger handout. 

Eh, I don’t really see it. Holdouts are already holdouts, right? So absent any action of some kind, what’s going to make them change their minds?

If you’ve got 10 people who can’t be bothered and you do nothing, you’ve got 10 unvaccinated people. If you offer something and 5 take it but 5 hold out for something more, then you’ve got 5 unvaccinated people. Which one is better? 
 

I know it’s in the nature of US society to favour the stick over the carrot when trying to make people do what you want but it’s a real stretch to view this as a counterproductive move.

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The Associated Press took some numbers from the CDC and made some rather unsurprising conclusions... 

Vaccines work. 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/nearly-all-covid-deaths-in-us-are-now-among-unvaccinated

 

Of the 853000 people hospitalized with Covid, less than 1200 of those people had been vaccinated.
Of the 18000 dead, 150 were fully vaccinated

Both of those numbers are not quite valid. Not every state is separating 'breakthrough' cases and deaths. So both the 1200 and 150 are going to be a bit low. But even if they are 2/3 low (missing a third of the vaccinated cases & deaths), that's still 1800 and 225. 

Still less than one half of a percent of the hospitalizations and a bit over one percent of the deaths. 

Stupidity has consequences.

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1 hour ago, ryoder said:

Denver Zoo will start vaccinating animals for COVID-19 as early as next week

Representative Massie will be along shortly to tell his supporters that if the animals don't want to be vaccinated, they can just leave the zoo.

Shouldn’t we stay away from animals in a zoo anyways ? Seems a bit overkill to me. 

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10 minutes ago, piisfish said:

Shouldn’t we stay away from animals in a zoo anyways ? Seems a bit overkill to me. 

The stories I've read over the last 18 months were always animals getting it from zoo staff, not the visitors.

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time to end the bullshit pandemic restrictions. there is a vaccine widely available to everyone who wants it and at this point if you choose not to get it and you get sick, that's entirely your fault. there is no real reason to keep moving forward with restrictions at this point.

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39 minutes ago, Westerly said:

there is no real reason to keep moving forward with restrictions at this point.

Reasons:

1) People are refusing to get vaccinated.  And while you may be just fine with them dying ("they deserve it for not being vaccinated" or whatever) people in charge of public health cannot ignore the threat to these people.

2) Variants (like the delta variant) may be less controllable via vaccine.  Latest data I've heard is that the Pfizer vaccine (sometimes considered the 'gold standard' for vaccines) is about 65% effective against the Delta variant, not the 95% effectiveness we saw against earlier variants.

3) A great many NPI's (masking, distancing, moving restaurant service outdoors) do in fact work to reduce the spread.

 

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59 minutes ago, billvon said:

People are refusing to get vaccinated.  And while you may be just fine with them dying ("they deserve it for not being vaccinated" or whatever) people in charge of public health cannot ignore the threat to these people.

A 90% vaccinated population is one that is safe. A 65% vaccinated population is one that will have the virus on a slow simmer waiting for a chance to evolve and thrive again. We can wish that the mostly selfish people who won't do the right thing would simply become subject to Darwin's law. But the reality is that most of them will do fine and just spread it around. 

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I have now gone 19 months without getting a common cold or any other respiratory illness.  This is the longest cold-free period that I can remember.   My wife has gone even longer.  I attribute this to mask wearing in public places and caution about contact with possibly infected surfaces.  Despite being fully vaccinated since February, we plan to continue masking up.

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I'm not to the point of masking up in the summer, but in the winter it's very likely, for exactly the same reasons.

And yes, if it were just a matter of people getting sick, I'd be less sympathetic. But every single time a new person catches COVID, there's an opportunity for mutation, and while most mutations are either harmless or less viable, with (right now) about 13,000 new cases a day in the USA alone, that's a lot of opportunity. And it's not just the original variant that mutates. The Manaus variant, the Delta variant -- all the somewhat uglier ones are also mutating.

Wendy P.

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8 hours ago, Westerly said:

time to end the bullshit pandemic restrictions. ...

Perhaps

8 hours ago, billvon said:

Reasons:....

3) A great many NPI's (masking, distancing, moving restaurant service outdoors) do in fact work to reduce the spread.

 

Excellent examples of restrictions that cost little and provide protections. IMO sporting events like NASCAR, baseball, football, etc. Events where the stands are full are excellent opportunities to spread covid. Especially in areas of the country where vaccination rates are low.

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19 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

I'm not to the point of masking up in the summer, but in the winter it's very likely, for exactly the same reasons.

And yes, if it were just a matter of people getting sick, I'd be less sympathetic. But every single time a new person catches COVID, there's an opportunity for mutation, and while most mutations are either harmless or less viable, with (right now) about 13,000 new cases a day in the USA alone, that's a lot of opportunity. And it's not just the original variant that mutates. The Manaus variant, the Delta variant -- all the somewhat uglier ones are also mutating.

Wendy P.

Agree, thirteen thousand and rising at 14%(over two weeks). Once travel opens up internationally the variants will be jetting about as well.

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3 hours ago, kallend said:

I have now gone 19 months without getting a common cold or any other respiratory illness.  This is the longest cold-free period that I can remember.   My wife has gone even longer.  I attribute this to mask wearing in public places and caution about contact with possibly infected surfaces.  Despite being fully vaccinated since February, we plan to continue masking up.

I have read that influenza rates have been so low over the past year that due to lack of data, it presents a problem for determining which strains to put in this year’s vaccine. 

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3 hours ago, kallend said:

I have now gone 19 months without getting a common cold or any other respiratory illness.  This is the longest cold-free period that I can remember.   My wife has gone even longer.  I attribute this to mask wearing in public places and caution about contact with possibly infected surfaces.  Despite being fully vaccinated since February, we plan to continue masking up.

I have read that influenza rates have been so low over the past year that due to lack of data, it presents a problem for determining which strains to put in this year’s vaccine. 

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The situation where I am has taken a dramatic turn for the better. My wife has now been reassigned back to her regular job and out of the ICU which is now only half full of covid patients and can handle some of it's regular work. Vaccination rates are at 75% for one dose and 51% for two and rising every day. Of course there is the Mennonite/bible belt region where the rates are less than half of that. I'm not sure if it is because those people are stupid, selfish or both.

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