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1 minute ago, wmw999 said:

Would it be fair to say, then, that taking a knee during the national anthem was specifically and viscerally offensive to you in a way that he clearly doesn’t understand, because he never served?

No. 

7 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

And could it be that the casual and ingrained inequities in general treatment of people of color is specifically and viscerally offensive to him in a way that you don’t understand because you’ve never been a person of color in the US?

No. He's half-white, was raised by white parents, in a white neighborhood. Kinda hard for me to wrap myself in the CK poor pitiful me black man role. He was at the end of his contract. He had been injured. He sat on the bench during the national anthem for two weeks prior to the incident contemplating his future and nobody noticed - until a sports caster said something to him on camera - and he was in the spotlight. 

In the end, he accused the NFL of collusion, sued, they paid him money, and he agreed to keep his mouth shut. If you truly believe in something - why would you accept hush money. 

As I told Bill; you're never going to convince me he wasn't in it for self, limelight, and money. Poor Colin. Boo Hoo.   

Let's talk about these NFL players.

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3 hours ago, BIGUN said:

No. 

No. He's half-white, was raised by white parents, in a white neighborhood. Kinda hard for me to wrap myself in the CK poor pitiful me black man role. He was at the end of his contract. He had been injured. He sat on the bench during the national anthem for two weeks prior to the incident contemplating his future and nobody noticed - until a sports caster said something to him on camera - and he was in the spotlight. 

In the end, he accused the NFL of collusion, sued, they paid him money, and he agreed to keep his mouth shut. If you truly believe in something - why would you accept hush money. 

As I told Bill; you're never going to convince me he wasn't in it for self, limelight, and money. Poor Colin. Boo Hoo.   

Let's talk about these NFL players.

Hi Keith,

Re:  He's half-white

So is Pres. Obama.  IMO, no one considers either of them to be 'white.'  IMO, to the world, they are black.

Jerry Baumchen

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3 hours ago, BIGUN said:

No. He's half-white, was raised by white parents, in a white neighborhood.

I am fully white and raised in a white neighbourhood by white parents. Not sure why that would preclude me from protesting against racism in your opinion.

 

It is honestly a pretty racist thing to say.

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4 hours ago, BIGUN said:

No. He's half-white, was raised by white parents, in a white neighborhood. Kinda hard for me to wrap myself in the CK poor pitiful me black man role.

Enough people have slammed you for this statement already. All I would have to add is that clearly you just don't get it.

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3 hours ago, billvon said:

The "he's the wrong color" thing is beneath you.

I knew when I was writing it that you guys would swell up and hang the "Racist" label on me. Primarily because while we've met; you really don't know me.  

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10 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

I knew when I was writing it that you guys would swell up and hang the "Racist" label on me. Primarily because while we've met; you really don't know me.  

I don't think you're a racist.  I do think that claiming he is the wrong color, and thus his protest is invalid, is beneath you.

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Just now, billvon said:

I do think that claiming he is the wrong color to be allowed to protest is beneath you.

OK. Bill, I'll own that and apologize to the group. Not the impression I was trying to give, but obviously missed the mark.  

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3 hours ago, BIGUN said:

OK. Bill, I'll own that and apologize to the group. Not the impression I was trying to give, but obviously missed the mark.  

Hi Keith,

We all do it now & then.  

I'm thinking that how it came across to us is not what you meant.

Jerry Baumchen

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7 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Keith,

Re:  He's half-white

So is Pres. Obama.  IMO, no one considers either of them to be 'white.'  IMO, to the world, they are black.

Jerry Baumchen

Hi Jerry,

While the terms are no longer used, the term 'octoroon' meant someone who was 7/8 white and 1/8 black.
The Supreme Court case of Plessy v Ferguson was the one where SC ruled that Jim Crow 'separate but equal' laws were ok. 
Plessy was ONE EIGHTH black.
Yet he was subject to the laws that restricted black people.

It was in 'To Kill A Mockingbird' that one of the kids made the statement:
“That's what I thought,” said Jem, “but around here once you have a drop of Negro blood, that makes you all black.” ― Harper Lee, To Kill a Mockingbird.

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5 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said:

Hi Jerry,

While the terms are no longer used, the term 'octoroon' meant someone who was 7/8 white and 1/8 black.
The Supreme Court case of Plessy v Ferguson was the one where SC ruled that Jim Crow 'separate but equal' laws were ok. 
Plessy was ONE EIGHTH black.
Yet he was subject to the laws that restricted black people.

It was in 'To Kill A Mockingbird' that one of the kids made the statement:
“That's what I thought,” said Jem, “but around here once you have a drop of Negro blood, that makes you all black.” ― Harper Lee, To Kill a Mockingbird.

Even a Wikipedia page on it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule

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10 hours ago, brenthutch said:

Back on topic, what does everyone think about the COVID origin story?  It’s starting to look like a “gain of function” lab leak. 

I "think" it's going to be very important to tread lightly.

Been reading up on it . . .

https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/27/politics/biden-trump-china-coronavirus-origins/index.html 

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3 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

I "think" it's going to be very important to tread lightly.

Been reading up on it . . .

https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/27/politics/biden-trump-china-coronavirus-origins/index.html 

Thats why the international credibility of a state and its leaders is so important. Biden will still take time to turn the US image aground.spacer.png

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On 6/3/2021 at 6:54 AM, airdvr said:

Just booked a flight to HI to see my son.  I never figured they would want proof of a negative test 72 hours prior to arrival.

I'll be heading to Hawaii in a couple months as well, but for work.  Darn glad Papua New Guinea instituted an on-site PCR test on the day of your travel!  It went from "book your test within 3 days before your flight and pay extra for the quick results," to "get a rapid test at the airport in addition, before boarding your flight;" to now "tests at the international terminal will be PCRs and are required for all passengers -- results provided on site."  That's awesome.

Although, I'll finally get a COVID test.  I made it back to PNG before testing was a thing, and haven't left in more than a year. I'm all vaxxed with Pfizer, but have never been tested.  At least when I come back, I should only have to quarantine for 7 days instead of 14. 

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UK cases, which were lower per capita than in the US, have tripled in the past month while US cases declined.  60% of the new UK cases are the delta variant (one of the ones from India), which is maybe 3x as contagious as the original variant.  It has estimated Ro of 6 in non-lockdown (open) conditions.  Single doses of vaccine are less effective than they were previously in preventing symptomatic cases (33%) Two doses still give good results, although not quite as good as previously (88%).  The loss of taste and smell doesn't seem to be a common feature of the delta variant.

6% of the new US cases are now the delta variant, but it will almost certainly become a higher percentage.

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6 hours ago, headoverheels said:

UK cases, which were lower per capita than in the US, have tripled in the past month while US cases declined.  60% of the new UK cases are the delta variant (one of the ones from India), which is maybe 3x as contagious as the original variant.  It has estimated Ro of 6 in non-lockdown (open) conditions.  Single doses of vaccine are less effective than they were previously in preventing symptomatic cases (33%) Two doses still give good results, although not quite as good as previously (88%).  The loss of taste and smell doesn't seem to be a common feature of the delta variant.

6% of the new US cases are now the delta variant, but it will almost certainly become a higher percentage.

aaand now I need to check the info on receiving a 2 dose vaccine after already having the J&J 1-shot.

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9 hours ago, yoink said:

aaand now I need to check the info on receiving a 2 dose vaccine after already having the J&J 1-shot.

It probably should have been written something like 'those who received a single dose of a two dose vaccine'.

The UK prioritized first doses to as many as possible, not worrying as much about the second. There's a fair amount of debate about it, and it has downsides. But it got at least some immunity into a lot more people.

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7 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said:

The UK prioritized first doses to as many as possible, not worrying as much about the second.

We did the same thing here. Now at 70% with at least one shot and now booking appointments for the second. We are in another race with the new variant. It is just starting to show up here.

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6 hours ago, wolfriverjoe said:



The UK prioritized first doses to as many as possible, not worrying as much about the second. There's a fair amount of debate about it, and it has downsides. But it got at least some immunity into a lot more people.

They are reporting only about 33% protection from symptomatic cases in the UK with one dose against the Delta (from India) variant.  Less severe cases and less hospitalization, I would expect.

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