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21 hours ago, DougH said:

Which cancer. It isn't a single disease. Even specific cancers vary from individual to individual.

That's why this mRNA technology is so promising--vaccines could be tailor-made to the individual.

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On 4/9/2021 at 11:18 PM, wolfriverjoe said:

Money. 

A lot of the cruise passengers come down a day or two early, in case flights are delayed.
They stay in the hotels, eat at the restaurants, go to the attractions, ect.

Plus those cruise ships pay port fees, which are taxed.  And he's trying to appeal to the port workers as well, showing that he's fighting to get them "back to work."  

I agree with his desire to get people earning money again (get back to work, parts of the economy moving), but disagree with how he thinks this should happen ("everyone go on a cruise!").

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https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/14/health/breakthrough-infections-covid-vaccines-cdc/index.html

So it's not zero, but a very tiny % of vaccinated people have subsequently died or needed hospitalization.

 

(CNN)About 5,800 people who have been vaccinated against coronavirus have become infected anyway, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention tells CNN.

Some became seriously ill and 74 people died, the CDC said. It said 396 -- 7% -- of those who got infected after they were vaccinated required hospitalization.

It's the first indication from CDC of how effective the vaccine is in real life -- and the first indication the vaccines do not protect completely against severe disease and death.

"So far, about 5,800 breakthrough cases have been reported to CDC. To date, no unexpected patterns have been identified in case demographics or vaccine characteristics," the CDC told CNN via email.

So far, about 77 million people in the US are fully vaccinated against coronavirus, according to a CNN analysis of CDC data. 

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3 hours ago, kallend said:

...Some became seriously ill and 74 people died, the CDC said. It said 396 -- 7% -- of those who got infected after they were vaccinated required hospitalization.
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Sounds right if Pfizer and Moderna both suggest a 95% efficacy. Then J&J and AstraZeneca having a lessor 80% or so effectiveness.

Social distancing, masks, vaccinations, etc. will all be required to snuff covid out in a local population.

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US vaccination of at least one shot is now nearly 40% of the population. And now the uptake is slowing down and more and more work will need to be done to reach the procrastinators and convince the doubters.

 https://us.cnn.com/2021/04/18/us/covid-vaccine-slowing-us-demand/index.html

The Canadian rate stands at about 22% but with far fewer 2nd shots administered. I was predicting we would be about 30 days behind, but now I'm thinking it may be a little less.

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On 4/14/2021 at 10:25 PM, TriGirl said:

Plus those cruise ships pay port fees, which are taxed.  And he's trying to appeal to the port workers as well, showing that he's fighting to get them "back to work."  

I agree with his desire to get people earning money again (get back to work, parts of the economy moving), but disagree with how he thinks this should happen ("everyone go on a cruise!").

Half of the year I live in the Cruise Ship Capital of the world: The Caribbean. I get around, although in the age of Covid it's been less. The locals are wising up to the Cruise Ship scam, believe me. They are seeing them as the environmental disasters they are. They are tired of their paid off politicos taking less dock fees just to get the visit and a spiff. They see less money from the rows of curios stands set up for the cruise ships benefitting the economy than they were told would happen. Restaurants now see that the cruisers mostly eat aboard where the cost is zero and really do not go out at night for dinner. There is more. But from what I see the dew is off the lilly on some Islands and the Cruise Industry will have fewer locations and less bargaining power than before. 

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6 hours ago, gowlerk said:

US vaccination of at least one shot is now nearly 40% of the population. And now the uptake is slowing down and more and more work will need to be done to reach the procrastinators and convince the doubters.

 https://us.cnn.com/2021/04/18/us/covid-vaccine-slowing-us-demand/index.html

The Canadian rate stands at about 22% but with far fewer 2nd shots administered. I was predicting we would be about 30 days behind, but now I'm thinking it may be a little less.

Actually it's 50%. The US has vaccinated half of adults with at least one shot effective today.

Also, Covid deaths are misleading because the number will always be much higher than reported. For example, all the people who now have heart or lung damage. How many people who were in the ICU back in March, April, May have since died from complications arising from the long term damage from Covid? How many more will die next year from diseases that are now progressing thanks to Covid initiating them? Those could all easily count as Covid deaths becasue that was the first underlying cause, but they wont be counted as such as they were not infected at the time of death. But it doesent change the fact that they are now dead solely because they got infected with Covid, just they dident die in weeks, they died in months or a year.

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14 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Half of the year I live in the Cruise Ship Capital of the world: The Caribbean. I get around, although in the age of Covid it's been less. The locals are wising up to the Cruise Ship scam, believe me. They are seeing them as the environmental disasters they are. They are tired of their paid off politicos taking less dock fees just to get the visit and a spiff. They see less money from the rows of curios stands set up for the cruise ships benefitting the economy than they were told would happen. Restaurants now see that the cruisers mostly eat aboard where the cost is zero and really do not go out at night for dinner. There is more. But from what I see the dew is off the lilly on some Islands and the Cruise Industry will have fewer locations and less bargaining power than before. 

This^  Cruises most always leave port before dinner.  They want their customers spending money in their bars and casinos, not in port.

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8 minutes ago, airdvr said:

This^  Cruises most always leave port before dinner.  They want their customers spending money in their bars and casinos, not in port.

Yep. I'm laying at Charlotte Amalie, USVI's at the moment. Ashore yesterday, I cruised the currently vacant street of jewelry shops set up for the ships that are still wandering around empty, back and forth, at sea. Most are hanging on and hoping but no one with sense wants to pay their prices when better stuff is available cheaper at home. Without crowded streets and vibe they are toast. The Super Yachts are around paying huge dock fees and high prices for fuel bunkering but what else isn't really visible. On the other hand, the VI's are kicking ass at the moment with American tourists who are spending lots of money and have nowhere else to vacation. 

The per head fees Cruise ships pay each country is driven down because the Lines have the power to just say no thanks, we'll go up island, thank you. But, if the islands get smart and get together it's the per head fees that are the low hanging fruit. Jack it up to $50 or $100 per head per port and hold the line and the Cruise industry will pay. 

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1 hour ago, JoeWeber said:

But, if the islands get smart and get together it's the per head fees that are the low hanging fruit. Jack it up to $50 or $100 per head per port and hold the line and the Cruise industry will pay. 

Ya sure. Maybe they can join a union or something. Or get together with all the clever DZOs who just say no to Groupon.

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2 hours ago, gowlerk said:

Ya sure. Maybe they can join a union or something. Or get together with all the clever DZOs who just say no to Groupon.

All it takes is an effective leader who is persuasive and knows how to make a case. 

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32 minutes ago, billvon said:

Yep.   As of yesterday, 39% of Americans overall have at least one dose, and 33% of adults are fully vaccinated.

The article I linked said that CDC reported 130 million have gotten at least one.

It also says that number is 50%. Which is incorrect.
Makes me wonder who screwed up the percentage calculation.

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38 minutes ago, billvon said:

Yep.   As of yesterday, 39% of Americans overall have at least one dose, and 33% of adults are fully vaccinated.

 

1 minute ago, wolfriverjoe said:

The article I linked said that CDC reported 130 million have gotten at least one.

It also says that number is 50%. Which is incorrect.
Makes me wonder who screwed up the percentage calculation.

# over 18 years old.

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1 hour ago, wolfriverjoe said:

The article I linked said that CDC reported 130 million have gotten at least one.

It also says that number is 50%. Which is incorrect.
Makes me wonder who screwed up the percentage calculation.

Difference is that one uses "adults" and the other uses "all americans."

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Just now, billvon said:

Difference is that one uses "adults" and the other uses "all americans."

Yup. Missed the 'adults' distinction when I read the one I posted.
Tired & reading it too fast.

Funny part about the 'adults' distinction.
Are they counting all the 16 & 17 year olds who are getting vaccinated?
They're able to get it, yet are not yet 'adults'.

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4 hours ago, wolfriverjoe said:

Yup. Missed the 'adults' distinction when I read the one I posted.
Tired & reading it too fast.

Funny part about the 'adults' distinction.
Are they counting all the 16 & 17 year olds who are getting vaccinated?
They're able to get it, yet are not yet 'adults'.

Since most GOP supporters have said they won't get vaccinated. Since trump loving GOP supporters may not be adults. Perhaps all American adults are already vaccinated?

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