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33 minutes ago, billvon said:

Agreed.  Nothing anyone could do would have prevented all the deaths out there.  The studies I've seen have indicated that more consistent/earlier interventions could have saved 40 to 70 percent of the victims of COVID-19.  Which is huge but not 100% - and it will not add up to six million.

 

Canada seems to be losing people at about a rate 50% of the US. A reasonable place to compare to. It is hyperbolic to be blaming all the death on Trump. Much of the blame lies with state governments. But you also can't deny that the POTUS sets the tone and influences the response.

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9 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

But you also can't deny that the POTUS sets the tone and influences the response.

Absolutely.  If Trump had started out saying "WEAR MASKS!  The lying democrats want you to not wear a mask so they can blame the pandemic on me - when it's THEM not wearing masks!" (or some variation on that theme) we would have seen a MUCH higher adoption rate of NPI's.  Republican states would have fallen all over themselves to be seen supporting Trump, and democratic states would have done it anyway.

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15 minutes ago, ryoder said:

White House orders FDA chief to authorize Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine Friday or submit his resignation

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/12/11/trump-stephen-hahn-fda-covid-vaccine/

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Oh, yes; This gives us confidence in the product. [facepalm]

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Does that mean he will order his sycophants to take it?

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On 12/11/2020 at 10:09 AM, billvon said:

Absolutely.  If Trump had started out saying "WEAR MASKS!  The lying democrats want you to not wear a mask so they can blame the pandemic on me - when it's THEM not wearing masks!" (or some variation on that theme) we would have seen a MUCH higher adoption rate of NPI's.  Republican states would have fallen all over themselves to be seen supporting Trump, and democratic states would have done it anyway.

That is a true statement. Traditionally, Americans don't like changing Presidents during a crisis. Trump was supremely dumb regarding the pandemic, in my opinion. Instead of fearing that the pandemic would hurt his chances for re-election, he should have seen it as an opportunity for re-election. For example, he could have ordered the Federal procurement stuff on an emergency basis to hand out mass PPE gear, and encouraged people to wear masks. Then people would have seen him as a leader in a time of crisis, even if privately he doesn't give a shit if Americans live or die during the pandemic. But he can still do what he was legally ABLE to do...and put on a convincing show doing it. 

Talk about dumb. Had he simply done those things, he would have been re-elected easily. The way it turned out, it took the deaths of many Americans, and Trump's stupidity on the pandemic, to convince Americans to vote for Biden instead. Just unbelievable sometimes. 

Over the years, historians have debated the question "Who was the worst American president in US History?" Same 8-12 names always top the polls. Andrew Johnson, Buchanan, a host of others. I think that debate has come to a screeching halt and Trump now becomes Numero Uno on that list. 

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12 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

That is a true statement. Traditionally, Americans don't like changing Presidents during a crisis. Trump was supremely dumb regarding the pandemic, in my opinion. Instead of fearing that the pandemic would hurt his chances for re-election, he should have seen it as an opportunity for re-election. For example, he could have ordered the Federal procurement stuff on an emergency basis to hand out mass PPE gear, and encouraged people to wear masks. Then people would have seen him as a leader in a time of crisis, even if privately he doesn't give a shit if Americans live or die during the pandemic. But he can still do what he was legally ABLE to do...and put on a convincing show doing it. 

Talk about dumb. Had he simply done those things, he would have been re-elected easily. The way it turned out, it took the deaths of many Americans, and Trump's stupidity on the pandemic, to convince Americans to vote for Biden instead. Just unbelievable sometimes. 

Over the years, historians have debated the question "Who was the worst American president in US History?" Same 8-12 names always top the polls. Andrew Johnson, Buchanan, a host of others. I think that debate has come to a screeching halt and Trump now becomes Numero Uno on that list. 

Hi Robert,

Re:  'Had he simply done those things, he would have been re-elected easily.'

I have some doubt about that; but, you may be right.  I have said for some time now, that this past election would be a referendum on Trump.  I still stand by that.

Re:  'I think that debate has come to a screeching halt and Trump now becomes Numero Uno on that list.'

On this, we are in complete agreement.  His ignorance and lack of intelligence is beyond the pale.

Jerry Baumchen

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The Fred Meyers store chain is offering tests (ready in 15 minutes) that can tell you if you have developed antibodies to the Covid-19 virus, and have acquired immunity to the virus. How MUCH immunity I cannot say. But the tests are $25 and you have to make an appointment, either online or other means. Might be worth the 25 bucks to find out your 'status'. 

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2 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

The Fred Meyers store chain is offering tests (ready in 15 minutes) that can tell you if you have developed antibodies to the Covid-19 virus, and have acquired immunity to the virus. How MUCH immunity I cannot say. But the tests are $25 and you have to make an appointment, either online or other means. Might be worth the 25 bucks to find out your 'status'. 

Hi Robert,

FDA authorizes first rapid Covid-19 self-testing kit for at-home diagnosis - CNN

Jerry Baumchen

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“I have children,” she told a bridesmaid, “What if my children die?” The bridesmaid responded, “I understand, but this is her wedding day.”

....“I have children,” she told a bridesmaid, “What if my children die?” The bridesmaid responded, “I understand, but this is her wedding day.”

(from: https://www.texasmonthly.com/being-texan/texas-wedding-photographers-have-seen-some/)

In the immortal words of Gru:

Jesus Titty-Fucking Christ

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2 hours ago, gowlerk said:

If Darwin was right shouldn’t these people not exist?

Well, one of Darwin's ideas was 'survival of the fittest'. 

These folks were perfectly 'fit' to survive in a 'non-pandemic' world. 

They've shown that they are not as 'fit' to survive in a world where contact with infected people is not a good thing.

As the understanding of the evolution process has grown, one adjustment that has been made is the idea that 'fittest' is more accurately expressed as "adaptability."
Those that can best adapt to changes are most likely to survive a changing world. 

Again, adapting to isolation, mask requirements, all of the things that would assist in surviving this situation are not something those folks are doing well.

Selfishness, ignorance, gullibility, 'rebelling' against authority (while supporting an authoritarian idiot), all of those things inhibit the ability to adapt to the situation.

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1 minute ago, billvon said:

But - can also lead to lower fitness in a static world.

True. 

But the world we are in today has changed more than 'just a little bit' since last year at this time.

Adapting to those changes has been...


Challenging. But I've been doing a fairly decent job of it so far...

I think. 

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47 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said:

Well, one of Darwin's ideas was 'survival of the fittest'. ...
Those that can best adapt to changes are most likely to survive a changing world. ...

As long as weddings, cohabitation, or any actions that could lead to reproduction don't take place.

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18 hours ago, ryoder said:

Some people are just too fucking stupid to be allowed to roam freely!>:(

https://www.texasmonthly.com/being-texan/texas-wedding-photographers-have-seen-some/

Just read the first 4 paragraphs. 

We just need to talk to them and be non-confrontational while searching for some common ground. Something terrible must be bothering them if they are engaging in such obvious self destructive behavior. That's where we need to look so we can help them face their real problems and start to heal.

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I’ve come to appreciate how tightly WA controls things and the measures in place. We lifted our interstate borders on the 8th December and I flew interstate to NSW on Tuesday for a couple of days. There’s been an outbreak here in Sydney 17 people in 2-3 days and so WA have reinstated mandatory quarantine. 
So I’ll be spending Xmas and New Years home alone as I fly back tomorrow. 

It does go to show how quickly they need to take action to keep things under control

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