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1 minute ago, wmw999 said:

The only real disagreement I have is the part about this being the first time for voter intimidation. It's only a first for white Anglo voters; voter intimidation of minorities is a proud >.< tradition .

Wendy P.

True enough. Although I think what's going on now far exceeds the level of previous voter intimidation. This is the first time in (recent) American history where armed civilian groups have threatened to show up at polling places. 

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4 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

The only real disagreement I have is the part about this being the first time for voter intimidation. It's only a first for white Anglo voters; voter intimidation of minorities is a proud >.< tradition .

Wendy P.

Agreed. If it had been the first time, there would have been no need for this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_Rights_Act_of_1965

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My comment at Facebook today, regarding the pandemic aka 'Food For Thought'.

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"When the CDC tells you that 80,000 new cases of Covid-19 have been reported today, what they are actually saying is that approximately 2,180 Americans will now die. And that those deaths will be a result of only today's report. The average death rate in the USA from Covid is 2.7% of victims. This means that every 21 days we lose almost the same number of Americans to the virus than we did in the ten years of the Vietnam War.

If you extrapolate the numbers, the dead in America from Covid-19 will surpass a half-million within one year since the pandemic started. Comparing it to the Vietnam War just shows how serious it is. "We have met the enemy...and it is us."

Anyone who isn't wearing a mask when they leave their home is a fool, at least right now. You roll the dice, you takes your chances. Just try not to take anyone with you. The hospitals and the funeral homes are busy enough, and they have no shortage of business. 

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5 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

True enough. Although I think what's going on now far exceeds the level of previous voter intimidation. This is the first time in (recent) American history where armed civilian groups have threatened to show up at polling places. 

It's the first time it's happened recently because it's the first election since the court ordered ban on the GOP doing it expired. So they're imediately going to do it again.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballot_Security_Task_Force

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17 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

 

  • The entire country is under a huge amount of stress. Will you get sick and die taking a five dollar bill from some clerk in change? Will you catch Covid by picking up an item at the grocery store that was touched a few minutes ago by someone else?

The answer is no. This has already been looked into and the CDC found that people do not get sick by touching objects that were previously touched by the infected. The primary means of infection is respiratory droplets exhaled from infected people. Other mediums of infection are nearly non-existent. For example, there is not been one single documented COVID case involving someone getting sick by eating COVID-contaminated food despite all the news about people working in warehouses and processing lines getting sick.

 

If no one tried to do anything about it, if no one wore masks at all, no one social distanced, the death toll would probably be over a million dead by now...easily. 

 

Yes, but that's kind of presenting a defense for assault as 'well I could have killed the guy, but I didn't'. That's not a real argument the same as saying 'we could have done nothing but we dident' is not a real defense for doing a poor job managing COVID.

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14 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

My comment at Facebook today, regarding the pandemic aka 'Food For Thought'.

Anyone who isn't wearing a mask when they leave their home is a fool, at least right now. You roll the dice, you takes your chances. Just try not to take anyone with you. 

I wouldent say they are a fool, more like they are just being disrespectful and uncaring. A mask doesent do much to protect YOU from COVID, unless it's an N-95 that has been properly fitted and seal tested, and even then it only offers some protection as the virus is smaller than the the minimum size particle the mask is rated to stop. The point of a mask is to stop you from infecting others, which is why not wearing one implies you dont care about other people. 

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1 minute ago, Westerly said:

I wouldent say they are a fool, more like they are just being disrespectful and uncaring. A mask doesent do much to protect YOU from COVID, unless it's an N-95 that has been properly fitted and seal tested, and even then it only offers some protection as the virus is smaller than the the minimum size particle the mask is rated to stop. The point of a mask is to stop you from infecting others, which is why not wearing one implies you dont care about other people. 

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11 minutes ago, Westerly said:

The answer is no. This has already been looked into and the CDC found that people do not get sick by touching objects that were previously touched by the infected. The primary means of infection is respiratory droplets exhaled from infected people. Other mediums of infection are nearly non-existent.

I used to think this was correct, unfortunately there have now been confirmed cases of surface transmission of covid-19: https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/427446/rubbish-bin-the-likely-source-of-covid-infection

There has also been a study that covid-19 particles survive longer on surfaces than influenza viruses: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54500673

2 minutes ago, Westerly said:

A mask doesent do much to protect YOU from COVID, unless it's an N-95 that has been properly fitted and seal tested, and even then it only offers some protection as the virus is smaller than the the minimum size particle the mask is rated to stop.

I also used to think this, but this is now outdated as we've had more studies come out: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7277485/

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2 minutes ago, olofscience said:

I used to think this was correct, unfortunately there have now been confirmed cases of surface transmission of covid-19: https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/427446/rubbish-bin-the-likely-source-of-covid-infection

There has also been a study that covid-19 particles survive longer on surfaces than influenza viruses: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54500673

Yes, there have been some cases that were transmitted through surface contact.

But those cases seem to be in the minority. Unlike influenza and Rhinovirus 'head colds'.

It also appears that the 'viral load' one takes in is a factor in how sick one gets. Taking in a large amount of the virus seems to be a factor in suffering a more serious case of the disease.  Taking in a smaller dose  seems to be a factor in milder cases.

 

Note: I use 'seems to be' and 'appears' because there's very little actual proof of anything with this disease. Virtually zero genuine scientific studies. 
Not surprising considering we've known that the virus exists for less than a year. Look at how long it took to realize that the AIDS virus even existed, let alone get a handle on how it was transmitted, what it did and how to fight it.

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I agree completely with what you posted after the word 'Note': 

This situation reminds me a bit of the movie And The Band Played On, the movie with Matthew Modine about the confusion and resistance in the medical community (especially in the San Francisco area) when AIDS first came along. No one knew what the hell it was, or how it was killing so many people. 

By the way, if you haven't seen the film, it's very good. 

Less than two weeks until the election, thank God. There are no guarantees that Trump will lose, but Nate Silver is giving him an 13% chance to win and heavily favoring Biden. As far as the US Senate, most scenarios have the Dems at least gaining a tie there, and a very good chance they will get 51-52 seats. They could get more, but that is very unlikely. I guess you take what you can get and be grateful. 

Trump wouldn't be the first President to get voted out of office solely for the economy. Between rampant inflation and his failure to get the Iranian hostages released, Carter had the same thing happen to him. And Trump is WAY less popular than Carter ever was. 

Personally, I don't hate Trump although it is tempting to do so. I just think he isn't up to the job, and never was. Of course there is the lying...his criminal friends...his lack of empathy for other human beings...it's a big list. 

 

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The problem with the comparison with AIDS is that to a large degree, AIDS was something that had not been seen before. It did things that no other virus had been known to do. 
The fact that it attacked a marginalized segment of the population didn't help. 
It wasn't until AIDS entered the blood supply and began affecting 'regular' people that it got the attention really needed to figure it out. Yes, "The Band Played On" is an excellent movie. 

OTOH, the coronavirus is a fairly standard pneumonia causing virus. We know of other corona viruses. Some cause the common cold, similar to rhino viruses. Some affect livestock. 
We have good ideas on how it spreads. We are learning to treat it. 
There's a lot still to learn, and much of what we know is still in the 'hypothesis' phase. 

Some countries have done a very good job in containing it. 
The US was likely to see a bad outbreak, no matter who was in charge. 
The pushback over the quarantine shutdowns, the 'liberty' idiots who refuse to follow good scientific advice, the 'hoax' morons (same ones that are Qcumbers, anti-vaxxers, chemtrails, flat earthers, moon landing hoax, and on and on), those fools pretty much a guaranteed we'd see more cases.

But the blatant mishandling by Trump made it far worse than that. 

I hate him. He's a con man, pure and simple. He's using his position to line his pockets at the expense of the rest of the country. He completely ignores the damage he's done and is doing. He doesn't care about anything or anyone other than himself.
And he's conned a large segment of the population into believing his garbage.

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12 minutes ago, RobertMBlevins said:

 

Personally, I don't hate Trump 

 

What's not to hate?  He is a thoroughly despicable human being whose incompetence and venality are responsible for more unnecessary deaths than anyone since the Rwanda massacres.  More even than Slobodan Milošević.

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The reason I don't hate Trump is because there is enough hate going around already. I have had enough of it. On the other hand, we vote by mail in WA state. Ballot arrived last Saturday afternoon. Ballot was filled out an hour later. Ballot inserted into drop box a half hour after THAT. I wasn't using the Postal Service. The drop boxes in WA are like Wells Fargo safes. And the state and counties have hired private security to keep an eye on them. We saw a woman in a van just watching the box when we dropped off the ballots. 

Nobody hanging around with assault rifles dressed in camo, though. LOL that wouldn't work well in THIS state. Nobody here would put up with that crap. Not to insult people from certain states, but this ain't Arkansas if you get my drift. That recent incident with Gretchen Whitmer sort of quieted those people down a bit for the election. If the FBI managed to infiltrate that group for months prior to all the arrests, it probably put a small bit of fear into the others. A domestic terrorism charge can put your butt into the underground cells at Marion (Illinois Federal prison) or maybe the Supermax in Colorado. And Fed prosecutors, who will soon (hopefully) be free of Trump, are not people to play games with. When they get these kind of cases, they lay it out for you REAL well. Either you come to Jesus with them, and quickly, or they bury you for years. And they don't care how much money or how many friends you have. There are plenty of rich folks in Federal prison. Most of them deserve to be there. 

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6 hours ago, ryoder said:

See this:

 

I have seen it. I also know there are operational limits to what those masks can do--the manufacturer literately says there are. One of those limits is the masks just arnt really effective at catching particles that are too small which is why they have a technical specification specifically saying what they are designed for and what they are not designed for. The size of the Covid virus falls into the category of not designed for. That said, most of the virus travels in water droplets which are easily caught by an N-95 mask so really only individual virus particles floating around would get by. But even so, most people, even in healthcare settings, cannot correctly fit an N-95 mask on their face so that it does not leak which is the more pertinent problem. They are notoriously difficult to fit correctly and even the slightest movement by bumping it or taking it off and than back on is sufficient to make for an insecure seal. Really, if you're looking for protection against a biological entity, N-95 is like the Geo Metro of options. What you really need is a full CBR suit with an independent air supply taken from an external source. Clearly not practical for daily use so the meet-in-the-middle option would be an actual respirator with the correct cartridges which in the long term isint actually any more expensive than daily throwaway use of an N-95, but they provide better protection as they are MUCH easier to get an airtight seal on.

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2 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

I agree completely with what you posted after the word 'Note': 

This situation reminds me a bit of the movie And The Band Played On, the movie with Matthew Modine about the confusion and resistance in the medical community (especially in the San Francisco area) when AIDS first came along. No one knew what the hell it was, or how it was killing so many people. 

By the way, if you haven't seen the film, it's very good. 

Less than two weeks until the election, thank God. There are no guarantees that Trump will lose, but Nate Silver is giving him an 13% chance to win and heavily favoring Biden. As far as the US Senate, most scenarios have the Dems at least gaining a tie there, and a very good chance they will get 51-52 seats. They could get more, but that is very unlikely. I guess you take what you can get and be grateful. 

Trump wouldn't be the first President to get voted out of office solely for the economy. Between rampant inflation and his failure to get the Iranian hostages released, Carter had the same thing happen to him. And Trump is WAY less popular than Carter ever was. 

Personally, I don't hate Trump although it is tempting to do so. I just think he isn't up to the job, and never was. Of course there is the lying...his criminal friends...his lack of empathy for other human beings...it's a big list. 

 

Rest your weary mind, I'll hate him enough for the both of us.

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13 minutes ago, Westerly said:

That said, most of the virus travels in water droplets which are easily caught by an N-95 mask so really only individual virus particles floating around would get by.

That and Brownian Motion should cause a lot of the individual particles to be captured. 

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Marc Short, chief of staff to Vice President Mike Pence, has been diagnosed with Covid-19.  Marty Obst, a senior adviser to Pence who is not a government employee, tested positive for coronavirus earlier this week.  Meanwhile, despite Pence being in close contact with Short as recently as Friday, the vice president plans to continue campaigning.

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3 hours ago, Westerly said:

I have seen it. I also know there are operational limits to what those masks can do--the manufacturer literately says there are. One of those limits is the masks just arnt really effective at catching particles that are too small which is why they have a technical specification specifically saying what they are designed for and what they are not designed for. The size of the Covid virus falls into the category of not designed for.

No simple mask stops viral particles.  They stop respiratory droplets.  That's how they work, and that's what they are designed to do.

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2 hours ago, headoverheels said:

Trump has been saying, over and over, that we have turned the corner.

I guess he's right -- after you turn the corner enough times, you are back where you started.

 

He went round the bend a long time ago.

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I posted this earlier this year and thought I would post it again. If you didn't read it earlier, you may be interested.

I was wondering what happened to the virus that caused the Spanish flu in 1918 and found an interesting article.

In the article, they dug up two bodies at different times in Alaska that had been buried and frozen in permafrost and took samples of lung tissue.  It is a long article but worth reading.

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23 minutes ago, Bigfalls said:

I posted this earlier this year and thought I would post it again. If you didn't read it earlier, you may be interested.

I was wondering what happened to the virus that caused the Spanish flu in 1918 and found an interesting article.

In the article, they dug up two bodies at different times in Alaska that had been buried and frozen in permafrost and took samples of lung tissue.  It is a long article but worth reading.

Here's a link to a podcast discussing this same history in case anybody's interested: 

https://gimletmedia.com/shows/science-vs/brhv724/hunting-an-invisible-killer

 

 

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