JerryBaumchen 1,048 #4551 April 30, 2021 3 hours ago, Phil1111 said: Now you're just being silly! Hi Phil, I disagree; it is part of the discussion. Jerry Baumchen PS) Can you name one country? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,053 #4552 April 30, 2021 1 hour ago, billvon said: There's a lesson there (unfortunately.) Agreed. The two hyperlinks provided right above are worthy reading. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,340 #4553 April 30, 2021 3 hours ago, billvon said: True dat. He remained open to compromise from the right, and they used that openness as an opportunity to sabotage it so that, years later, people could find fault with it and ensure it would not be as much of a success. There's a lesson there (unfortunately.) Fortunately Biden seems to have learned from that lesson. He remains open to compromise, and TRIES TO offer the Rs a 'seat at the table'. But since all they seem to want to do is (figuratively) smear mashed potatoes and gravy all over the table cloth, he doesn't allow them to destroy his plans. He moves forward without them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 910 #4554 April 30, 2021 3 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said: Hi Phil, I disagree; it is part of the discussion. Jerry Baumchen PS) Can you name one country? No, can't name a country.. Western country after western country has moved to universal care because of the economics. The competition models result in waste, duplication and additional record keeping costs. IMO President Biden should not lose focus on sharpening the ACA act or moving further on universal care. Because there is still 2% of GDP waste in the US model. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #4555 April 30, 2021 9 hours ago, kallend said: Can anyone name a developed country that has introduced universal health care, decided it was a bad idea, and gone back to a US style system? Waiting. . . . . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 910 #4556 April 30, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, kallend said: Can anyone name a developed country that has introduced universal health care, decided it was a bad idea, and gone back to a US style system? 32 minutes ago, kallend said: Waiting. . . . . Well there is the US. President Obama introduced a modest semi-universal health care system. Then trump got some juicy donations to his party and pressure from lobbyists. So it went back a 1/2 step. The authors of this new book: The Great American Healthcare Scam: How Kickbacks, Collusion and Propaganda Have Exploded Healthcare Costs in the United States Two physicians published a segment of the book here. "the financial reports of the 13 largest pharmaceutical companies in the world. It shows that 45% of their total combined revenue since 2011 came solely from sales the U.S." The world appreciates Americans rich and poor subsidizing every one else s drug costs. The chart below has Canadian prices in Canadian dollars. US prices in US dollars with no correction for exchange. So Canadian prices are an even 20% cheaper. Medication and Dose Price in the US Price in Canada Brilinta 90 mg $5.99 per pill $1.67 per pill Gilenya 0.5 mg $265.03 per capsule $91.30 per capsule Humalog Insulin 100 units/ml $26.14 per ml $2.78 per ml Pradaxa 150 mg $6.92 per capsule $1.78 per capsule Spiriva 18 mcg $13.72 per capsule $1.91 per capsule Xarelto 20 mg $14.37 per pill $3.07 per pill Edited April 30, 2021 by Phil1111 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,912 #4557 April 30, 2021 11 minutes ago, Phil1111 said: Well there is the US. President Obama introduced a modest semi-universal health care system. Then trump got some juicy donations to his party and pressure from lobbyists. So it went back a 1/2 step. The authors of this new book: The Great American Healthcare Scam: How Kickbacks, Collusion and Propaganda Have Exploded Healthcare Costs in the United States Two physicians published a segment of the book here. "the financial reports of the 13 largest pharmaceutical companies in the world. It shows that 45% of their total combined revenue since 2011 came solely from sales the U.S." The world appreciates Americans rich and poor subsidizing every one else s drug costs. The chart below has Canadian prices in Canadian dollars. US prices in US dollars with no correction for exchange. So Canadian prices are an even 20% cheaper. Medication and Dose Price in the US Price in Canada Brilinta 90 mg $5.99 per pill $1.67 per pill Gilenya 0.5 mg $265.03 per capsule $91.30 per capsule Humalog Insulin 100 units/ml $26.14 per ml $2.78 per ml Pradaxa 150 mg $6.92 per capsule $1.78 per capsule Spiriva 18 mcg $13.72 per capsule $1.91 per capsule Xarelto 20 mg $14.37 per pill $3.07 per pill In other words, America is a sucker. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bigfalls 110 #4558 May 1, 2021 Every day I get an e-mail from the New York State Governors office with information on easing restrictions for Covid-19. It also includes the % of population immunized, number of new cases, number tested, number hospitalized, number in ICU, and number of deaths. I would be interested to see how many people die each day from smoking related illness. I'll bet it is equal to or greater than the number of Covid deaths. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,912 #4559 May 1, 2021 8 minutes ago, Bigfalls said: Every day I get an e-mail from the New York State Governors office with information on easing restrictions for Covid-19. It also includes the % of population immunized, number of new cases, number tested, number hospitalized, number in ICU, and number of deaths. I would be interested to see how many people die each day from smoking related illness. I'll bet it is equal to or greater than the number of Covid deaths. https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fast_facts/index.htm#:~:text=Cigarette smoking is responsible for,or 1%2C300 deaths every day.&text=On average%2C smokers die 10 years earlier than nonsmokers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 910 #4560 May 1, 2021 1 hour ago, gowlerk said: In other words, America is a sucker. A sucker for allowing money, PACs and lobbyists to rule important public policy. Here’s How Much McConnell Got From Big Pharma After Nixing a Bill to Lower Drug Prices $50k for selling out America on one vote. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,048 #4561 May 1, 2021 24 minutes ago, Phil1111 said: A sucker for allowing money, PACs and lobbyists to rule important public policy. Here’s How Much McConnell Got From Big Pharma After Nixing a Bill to Lower Drug Prices $50k for selling out America on one vote. Hi Phil, McConnell is an idiot; he could have easily gotten 10 times that much. Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,912 #4562 May 1, 2021 Just now, JerryBaumchen said: Hi Phil, McConnell is an idiot; he could have easily gotten 10 times that much. Jerry Baumchen He probably did, and more. Not all the cards are on the table in that game. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,299 #4563 May 1, 2021 2 hours ago, gowlerk said: In other words, America is a sucker. The real question is why aren't we charging you more? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,912 #4564 May 1, 2021 5 minutes ago, JoeWeber said: The real question is why aren't we charging you more? Same reason you are building that free wall...... We'll pay eventually, probably with pickerel. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #4565 May 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Bigfalls said: Every day I get an e-mail from the New York State Governors office with information on easing restrictions for Covid-19. It also includes the % of population immunized, number of new cases, number tested, number hospitalized, number in ICU, and number of deaths. I would be interested to see how many people die each day from smoking related illness. I'll bet it is equal to or greater than the number of Covid deaths. Well, I guess we don't need to concern ourselves with car accidents, airline safety, COVID, drowning, or anything else that causes fewer deaths than smoking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,299 #4566 May 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, gowlerk said: Same reason you are building that free wall...... We'll pay eventually, probably with pickerel. No slight to the famous and innovative Canadian Pharmaceutical industry but isn't is surprising the many ways the American taxpayer subsidizes our allies? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,912 #4567 May 1, 2021 14 minutes ago, JoeWeber said: No slight to the famous and innovative Canadian Pharmaceutical industry but isn't is surprising the many ways the American taxpayer subsidizes our allies? Not just your allies. You have a well known knack for enriching your enemies as well! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,299 #4568 May 1, 2021 1 minute ago, gowlerk said: Not just your allies. You have a well known knack for enriching your enemies as well! Yep. We're equal opportunity deplorers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 910 #4569 May 1, 2021 1 hour ago, JerryBaumchen said: Hi Phil, McConnell is an idiot; he could have easily gotten 10 times that much. Jerry Baumchen "The story told us of a pharmaceutical giant called Amgen and three senators so close to it they might be entries on its balance sheet: Republican Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, Democratic Senator Max Baucus, chair of the Senate Finance Committee, and that powerful committee’s ranking Republican, Orrin Hatch. A trio of perpetrators who treat the United States treasury as if it were a cash-and-carry annex of corporate America. The Times story described how Amgen got a huge hidden gift from unnamed members of Congress and their staffers. They slipped an eleventh-hour loophole into the New Year’s Eve deal that kept the government from going over the fiscal cliff. When the sun rose in the morning, there it was, a richly embroidered loophole for Amgen that will cost taxpayers a cool half a billion dollars. Amgen is the world’s largest biotechnology firm, a drug maker that sells a variety of medications. The little clause they secretly sneaked into the fiscal cliff bill gives the company two more years of relief from Medicare cost controls for certain drugs used by patients who are on kidney dialysis, including a pill called Sensipar, manufactured by Amgen.... just weeks before this backroom betrayal of the public interest by elected officials....Amgen agreed to pay $762 million in criminal and civil penalties; the company had been caught illegally marketing another one of its drugs." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 910 #4570 May 1, 2021 22 minutes ago, JoeWeber said: No slight to the famous and innovative Canadian Pharmaceutical industry but isn't is surprising the many ways the American taxpayer subsidizes our allies? Hey its all appreciated. The US subsidy of pharma, medical science and its military spending. Has Canada riding its coattails all the way. Now Canada can have national childcare and new early education system. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,912 #4571 May 1, 2021 I just spotted this small story on CBC. It is actually huge news. The US government is allowing Pfizer vaccine exports to Canada next week. No word on if we will pay less than Americans do..... https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine-u-s-1.6010321 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 910 #4572 May 1, 2021 9 hours ago, gowlerk said: I just spotted this small story on CBC. It is actually huge news. The US government is allowing Pfizer vaccine exports to Canada next week. No word on if we will pay less than Americans do..... https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine-u-s-1.6010321 Evidently not.. oh well can't win them all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,912 #4573 May 1, 2021 And now the longer term suffering and economic costs of surviving the disease are beginning to come into better focus. People who are resisting being vaccinated probably aren't the ones reading this sort of news. But they should be. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/04/210422123603.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,299 #4574 May 1, 2021 12 hours ago, gowlerk said: I just spotted this small story on CBC. It is actually huge news. The US government is allowing Pfizer vaccine exports to Canada next week. No word on if we will pay less than Americans do..... https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine-u-s-1.6010321 It'll be hard to pay less than zero. Meanwhile, back to hockey. The Canadian Biotech firm Providence Therapeutics, that was producing it's own mRNA vaccine, is uprooting for greener pastures claiming lack of federal support. If their claims are true, and I'll start by believing your Pharma Bro's are no more believable than ours, that's not good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,384 #4575 May 1, 2021 Some people can only learn things the hard way: Stephen Karanja: Kenyan anti-vaccine doctor dies from Covid-19 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites