headoverheels 291 #4351 March 28, 2021 4 hours ago, RonD1120 said: In the past week I have discussed Covid-19 treatment with two physicians. Both have confirmed that Hydroxychlorquine and Ivermectin show significant benefit toward curing the disease. They both agree that this virus has political factors overriding sound medical best practice. Use bleach. It works much faster and more reliably. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,621 #4352 March 28, 2021 10 hours ago, RonD1120 said: In the past week I have discussed Covid-19 treatment with two physicians. Both have confirmed that Hydroxychlorquine and Ivermectin show significant benefit toward curing the disease. They both agree that this virus has political factors overriding sound medical best practice. Unlike Ms. Zero Porosity, Ron is always good for a laugh even though he is a troll. Then again, someone from Trump's team who actually knows what went on:https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/03/27/birx-tells-cnn-most-us-covid-deaths-could-have-been-mitigated-after-first-100000/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,340 #4353 March 28, 2021 13 hours ago, RonD1120 said: ... They both agree that this virus has political factors overriding sound medical best practice. They were right about that part. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Westerly 61 #4354 March 29, 2021 On 3/25/2021 at 8:01 AM, SkyDekker said: New study shows that a proper reaction by the US could have avoided nearly 400,000 deaths. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-economy-idUSKBN2BH1DK That's funny that you need a study to know that. You could have just asked literately anyone who's not a total dunce and they would have told you that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Westerly 61 #4355 March 29, 2021 The funny thing is that COVID is still not the #1 cause of death. It's not #2 either. Heart disease and cancer still killed more people than COVID did, and they will continue to by a large factor for this year. Heart disease alone kills 650,000 Americans per year. Imagine if we put as much effort into solving those issues as COVID, I feel like we'd have a cure to cancer already. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,621 #4356 March 29, 2021 https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/28/opinions/hard-lesson-dr-deborah-birx-ranney/index.html Accepting a job working for Donald Trump was her first and worst mistake. She, like many of us, had no idea how badly his administration would distort, ignore and deny science and the truth during the pandemic. Although she said she took the job out of a sense of obligation ("That's what a civil servant is supposed to do," she said a year later), Birx became inextricably tied to the harmful decisions of her negligent, disastrously ignorant boss. . "There were about a hundred thousand deaths that came from that original surge. All of the rest of them, in my mind, could have been mitigated or decreased substantially," she said. Fauci's position at the National Institutes of Health allowed him some degree of political independence from Trump. Birx did not have that luxury. The first lesson is: Know whom you are agreeing to work for. Birx's next error was allowing the regime's lies to go unchecked. It's true that she said many things right, from her first day to her last. And as a White House team member, she would have found it hard to publicly contradict her boss. And it's understandable that she thought she would do more good from inside the administration instead of as an outside observer. She said this herself in January. But still -- she could have drawn the lines of honesty and integrity much earlier. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nwt 131 #4357 March 29, 2021 4 hours ago, Westerly said: Imagine if we put as much effort into solving those issues as COVID What makes you think we aren't? Imagine if all medical researchers were as smart as Westerly--I guess we'd have it all figured out! 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 908 #4358 March 29, 2021 9 hours ago, Westerly said: The funny thing is that COVID is still not the #1 cause of death. It's not #2 either. Heart disease and cancer still killed more people than COVID did, and they will continue to by a large factor for this year. Heart disease alone kills 650,000 Americans per year. Imagine if we put as much effort into solving those issues as COVID, I feel like we'd have a cure to cancer already. Factors like ageing, the environment, overall genetics are a mite more complex than one genome typed virus. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 908 #4359 March 29, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, nwt said: What makes you think we aren't? Imagine if all medical researchers were as smart as Westerly--I guess we'd have it all figured out! Imagine if all of the bio science companies in the world just decided to cure and eliminate cancer. Or ageing! Two little pills just cure everything. Edited March 29, 2021 by Phil1111 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nwt 131 #4360 March 29, 2021 Just now, Phil1111 said: Imagine if all of the bio science companies in the world just decided to cure and eliminate cancer. Or ageing! Two little pills just cure everything. Ironically, we may not have this new highly effective mRNA vaccine technology if it weren't for cancer research: https://www.nature.com/articles/nrd.2017.243 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,903 #4361 March 29, 2021 10 hours ago, Westerly said: The funny thing is that COVID is still not the #1 cause of death. It probably could be for a year or two if we let it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,380 #4362 March 29, 2021 10 minutes ago, Phil1111 said: Imagine if all of the bio science companies in the world just decided to cure and eliminate cancer. Or ageing! They've been doing that for decades. That's why we have CRISPR-CAS9, monoclonal antibody treatments for cancer, and targeted chemotherapy. And if you want to read about something really amazing, google CAR T-cell therapy. Still in its infancy but it has a LOT of promise, and may end up curing leukemia. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 908 #4363 March 29, 2021 4 minutes ago, billvon said: They've been doing that for decades. That's why we have CRISPR-CAS9, monoclonal antibody treatments for cancer, and targeted chemotherapy. And if you want to read about something really amazing, google CAR T-cell therapy. Still in its infancy but it has a LOT of promise, and may end up curing leukemia. Its exciting times for bio-science. $100 DNA sequencing(soon), crisper, mRNA, etc. But I'm not holding my breath because DNA sequencing was supposed to have lots of solutions on the table already. That was a long time ago. It seems though as if the tools are finally coming together. The president of Pfizer said new covid variation vaccines are 100 days from DNA to vaccine. If we could only close the Chinese wet markets. These companies could get back to other research. Like perhaps a Crisper answer for GOP tribalism.We'd need to sequence the most fanatical GOP adherents. trump, Mitch McConnell, Ted Cruz, Brent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,046 #4364 March 29, 2021 8 hours ago, kallend said: https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/28/opinions/hard-lesson-dr-deborah-birx-ranney/index.html Accepting a job working for Donald Trump was her first and worst mistake. She, like many of us, had no idea how badly his administration would distort, ignore and deny science and the truth during the pandemic. Although she said she took the job out of a sense of obligation ("That's what a civil servant is supposed to do," she said a year later), Birx became inextricably tied to the harmful decisions of her negligent, disastrously ignorant boss. . "There were about a hundred thousand deaths that came from that original surge. All of the rest of them, in my mind, could have been mitigated or decreased substantially," she said. Fauci's position at the National Institutes of Health allowed him some degree of political independence from Trump. Birx did not have that luxury. The first lesson is: Know whom you are agreeing to work for. Birx's next error was allowing the regime's lies to go unchecked. It's true that she said many things right, from her first day to her last. And as a White House team member, she would have found it hard to publicly contradict her boss. And it's understandable that she thought she would do more good from inside the administration instead of as an outside observer. She said this herself in January. But still -- she could have drawn the lines of honesty and integrity much earlier. Hi John, She had a choice; I'm thinking she liked the limelight. Too smart too late. Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,294 #4365 March 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Phil1111 said: If we could only close the Chinese wet markets. Not only China has wet markets. I was in one in Hoi An Vietnam, south of Danang, that was mind blowing. If it creeps, crawls, swims, fly's, digs a whole or could be dinner or a pet depending on your mood it was available. The floor was nothing short of a wet gory mess as laughing, happy people were chopping off heads, gutting, draining blood, plucking and skinning. Frogs were sold alive but conveniently skinned and with the head trimmed back to behind the eyes. Cat (mèo) could be had anyway you preferred. When refrigeration is in short supply you want it as fresh as possible. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,380 #4366 March 29, 2021 19 minutes ago, JoeWeber said: Not only China has wet markets. I was in one in Hoi An Vietnam, south of Danang, that was mind blowing. Yep. Thailand too. The fact that this virus came from a Chinese market instead of a Thai or Vietnamese market was the luck of the draw. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,621 #4367 March 30, 2021 This didn't age well: Tweet Dan Diamond @ddiamond · Mar 26, 2020 White House coronavirus coordinator DEBORAH BIRX touts Trump’s response in Q&A yesterday on Christian Broadcasting Network. CBN HOST: How would you describe the job President Trump is doing? BIRX: He’s been so attentive to the scientific literature and the details and the data. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,046 #4368 March 30, 2021 1 hour ago, kallend said: This didn't age well: Tweet Dan Diamond @ddiamond · Mar 26, 2020 White House coronavirus coordinator DEBORAH BIRX touts Trump’s response in Q&A yesterday on Christian Broadcasting Network. CBN HOST: How would you describe the job President Trump is doing? BIRX: He’s been so attentive to the scientific literature and the details and the data. Hi John, Let me say it again: I'm thinking she liked the limelight. Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 908 #4369 March 30, 2021 2 hours ago, kallend said: This didn't age well: Tweet Dan Diamond @ddiamond · Mar 26, 2020 White House coronavirus coordinator DEBORAH BIRX touts Trump’s response in Q&A yesterday on Christian Broadcasting Network. CBN HOST: How would you describe the job President Trump is doing? BIRX: He’s been so attentive to the scientific literature and the details and the data. Once a whore, always a whore. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Westerly 61 #4370 March 31, 2021 On 3/29/2021 at 6:01 AM, nwt said: What makes you think we aren't? Well how long do you have? I could write a book. For one, I work in a hospital so I see what these 'treatments' look like on a daily basis. Actually, I work in the cardiopulmonary lab and so I especially get a first hand look. In short, the medical industry is a money making industry like any others and they dont make money on cures, they make it on treatments. They are incentivized to keep people sick to keep things expensive. Anyone who thinks that medicine is all unicorns and pixie dust and every doctor does it to help the betterment of his fellow neighbor is naive beyond definition. There are a lot of really shitty doctors, a lot of shitty nurses, a lot of shitty hospitals and an otherwise shitty industry. Many of the treatments that do exist are largely bullshit. They are not real treatments. They are are more like a slight prolonging of your life and maybe slight reduction in symptoms, but many treatments do little or absolutely nothing to actually address the disease. COVID-19 vaccinations occurred in record speed becasue there was record world-wide pressure and competition for them. Everyone on the planet was in a race for what they knew would be a world-wide market with unlimited purchasing power and an unlimited supply of demand. So companies fronted endless amounts of cash to develop a vaccine and develop it RIGHT NOW. Look at HIV by contrast. It took over 30 years to develop a treatment that is effective against HIV. Yet we developed a vaccine that has a near perfect efficacy rate to a virus we have never seen before in only 100 days. Mankind has the ability to solve the other problems at stake if we were motivated enough. There are cures to forms of cancer that exist in other countries that dont exist in the USA. I personally saw a patient who had a rare form of bone cancer and all the doctors told him he was going to die and nothing could be done. He found about a treatment option in Australia that completely cured him. But in America, no one even wanted to tell him about it.... 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lippy 765 #4371 March 31, 2021 6 hours ago, Westerly said: He found about a treatment option in Australia that completely cured him. But in America, no one even wanted to tell him about it.... Crikey! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,380 #4372 March 31, 2021 10 hours ago, Westerly said: It took over 30 years to develop a treatment that is effective against HIV. Yet we developed a vaccine that has a near perfect efficacy rate to a virus we have never seen before in only 100 days. Mankind has the ability to solve the other problems at stake if we were motivated enough. There are cures to forms of cancer that exist in other countries that dont exist in the USA. I personally saw a patient who had a rare form of bone cancer and all the doctors told him he was going to die and nothing could be done. He found about a treatment option in Australia that completely cured him. But in America, no one even wanted to tell him about it.... You vastly underestimate the effort it takes to understand the human body and devise methods of protecting it against itself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 908 #4373 March 31, 2021 29 minutes ago, billvon said: You vastly underestimate the effort it takes to understand the human body and devise methods of protecting it against itself. That and I wonder if he knows about the secret carburetor that the oil industry bought to keep out of the hands of motorists. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nwt 131 #4374 March 31, 2021 5 hours ago, Westerly said: For one, I work in a hospital so I see what these 'treatments' look like on a daily basis. So you think you understand more than you do. I guess we already knew that. 5 hours ago, Westerly said: They are are more like a slight prolonging of your life and maybe slight reduction in symptoms, but many treatments do little or absolutely nothing to actually address the disease. Sadly, there is some truth to this. However, it's because curing disease is hard, not because people and companies don't want to invent cures. When people and companies are able to invent cures, they do. We have them for lots of things. Aside from the unicorns and pixie dust you don't believe exist, there is strong financial motivation to produce cures 6 hours ago, Westerly said: COVID-19 vaccinations occurred in record speed becasue there was record world-wide pressure and competition for them And also because of the decades-long research into mRNA vaccines intended for use in cancer treatment. I find it highly ironic that you don't understand this. 6 hours ago, Westerly said: Look at HIV by contrast Contrast. Almost as if it were a different disease and was being tackled with more primitive technology than we have today. Different situation, right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Westerly 61 #4375 April 1, 2021 (edited) 14 hours ago, nwt said: However, it's because curing disease is hard, not because people and companies don't want to invent cures. When people and companies are able to invent cures, they do. We have them for lots of things. Contrast. Almost as if it were a different disease and was being tackled with more primitive technology than we have today. Different situation, right? And yet we were able to build a machine that put a man on the moon back at a time when seat belts in cars were considered optional upgrades. Just in the last two decades we built cell phones with CPUs in them that are more powerful than computers that took up an entire building 15 years ago. Yet when we look at the leading causes of death like heart disease and COPD, we haven't made it that far. Your chances are not much better today then they were 15 years ago. You might get six months, a year more now than two decades ago. I wouldent exactly call that a marvel of modern medicine. Yes there are some breaking edge cures out there that can solve some of these problems for good. But 99.9% of people don't have access to them, so they are largely pointless. Kind of like when Trump went all high and mighty about how great the treatment for COVID is when he got it while simultaneously ignoring the fact that his dedicated team of cardiologist, pumanologists and ER doctors standing by his bedside 24/7 represent specialists that most people have to wait months for just to get a single appointment. Edited April 1, 2021 by Westerly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites