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10 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Joe,

And what percentage of male boating deaths are they found with their pants unzipped?

Jerry Baumchen

Good point. I guess no more night time outside peeing when I get home unless I'm wearing my PFD and tied to the lifeline. Thank you.

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2 minutes ago, airdvr said:

Sexist.  There must be some women with their shorts down around their knees.

Clearly you spend your marine time offshore in the salt water environment. Anytime women need to drop shorts it was time for a shore visit AFAIK.

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On 6/12/2020 at 6:34 PM, JoeWeber said:

Meanwhile, here in Islandia, small island nations without resources or options took the whole Covid-19 thing pretty damn seriously. And they've been beating the bug.

What I'm curious about is whether these places who were able to successfully block it early will now have to perpetually be on their guard.  Remember, we're headed towards herd immunity but it could take a long time to reach that, years to accomplish worldwide immunization and decades for eradication.  In the meantime these are populations which have not even gone through the first cycle.

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6 minutes ago, DJL said:

What I'm curious about is whether these places who were able to successfully block it early will now have to perpetually be on their guard.  Remember, we're headed towards herd immunity but it could take a long time to reach that, years to accomplish worldwide immunization and decades for eradication.  In the meantime these are populations which have not even gone through the first cycle.

I believe they are waiting on and hoping for vaccine.

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24 minutes ago, DJL said:

What I'm curious about is whether these places who were able to successfully block it early will now have to perpetually be on their guard.  Remember, we're headed towards herd immunity but it could take a long time to reach that, years to accomplish worldwide immunization and decades for eradication.  In the meantime these are populations which have not even gone through the first cycle.

Like the US, they honor the principal of free internal migration. Of course, with nowhere to go it was just a matter of closing the borders and dealing with it. It wasn't so much individual "Phases" as much as variable screw turning. If people behaved, or didn't, all suffered of had it easier. But it was always science based decisions followed by ignorance based defiance. Just the opposite of at home.

We were in Dutch Sint Maarten 10+ weeks.  The other half of the Island is French St. Martin. It started off easier on the Dutch side and ended easier on the French side. But on either side if you were caught breaking the current rules you paid for it in money and freedom. 

They are totally on their guard. Now there is a group of Islands, the ABC's and BES Islands that are a consortium. If you've been 14 days in any of them you can travel between them without quarantine. If your country doesn't behave safely you are out of the consortium. For example, we were able to get into Aruba and today is our last quarantine day. We might leave for another ABC Island because when Aruba takes tourists on July 15 from one of the three "high Risk" countries they will be out. Those three countries are Colombia, The Dominican Republic and the United States of America. We are totally a Banana Republic.

 

 

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53 minutes ago, DJL said:

What I'm curious about is whether these places who were able to successfully block it early will now have to perpetually be on their guard.  Remember, we're headed towards herd immunity but it could take a long time to reach that, years to accomplish worldwide immunization and decades for eradication.  In the meantime these are populations which have not even gone through the first cycle.

Improved protocols for treatment may circumvent both vaccines and herd immunity.

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10 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

Improved protocols for treatment may circumvent both vaccines and herd immunity.

I'm not sure why you think that. There is a treatment announced this week that cuts the death rate of those on ventilators by 25%. That is helpful, but hardly game changing. Prevention will always be far better than treatment. And some of the less deadly effects of this illness are beginning to look pretty bad.

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4 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

I'm not sure why you think that. There is a treatment announced this week that cuts the death rate of those on ventilators by 25%. That is helpful, but hardly game changing. Prevention will always be far better than treatment. And some of the less deadly effects of this illness are beginning to look pretty bad.

Anyone holding their breath for a vaccine in a year is likely dreaming as it has never happened before. Initial death rates for ICU patients was 1-1.5% now its under .75%.

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20 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

Anyone holding their breath for a vaccine in a year is likely dreaming as it has never happened before. Initial death rates for ICU patients was 1-1.5% now its under .75%.

There absolutely will be a mass vaccination campaign happening in about 12 months from now. The only question is how effective and long lasting the available vaccines will be. Yes, it has not happened before. But we have never had the tools and resources available that we now have. There will also be huge public battles over who gets it first and who will be required to get it. This will make the conspiracy theories currently being fought over look quaint. It will be a Battle Royale.

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Just now, gowlerk said:

There absolutely will be a mass vaccination campaign happening in about 12 months from now. The only question is how effective and long lasting the available vaccines will be. Yes, it has not happened before. But we have never had the tools and resources available that we now have. There will also be huge public battles over who gets it first and who will be required to get it. This will make the conspiracy theories currently being fought over look quaint. It will be a Battle Royale.

I hope your right about a somewhat widely held opinion regarding a rewrite of medical history.

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9 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

I'm not sure why you think that. There is a treatment announced this week that cuts the death rate of those on ventilators by 25%. That is helpful, but hardly game changing.

Right.  And the next treatment will reduce death rates by another 20%.  And then a new set of mask/distancing recommendations will reduce transmission by 15%.  It all adds up.

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“It really does feel like the U.S. has given up. I can’t imagine what it must be like having to go to work knowing it’s unsafe. It’s hard to see how this ends. There are just going to be more and more people infected, and more and more deaths. It’s heartbreaking.”;   Dr. Siouxsie Wiles, an infectious-diseases specialist at the University of Auckland in New Zealand — a country that has confirmed only three new cases over the past three weeks and where citizens have now largely returned to their pre-coronavirus routines.

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9 hours ago, kallend said:

 

“It really does feel like the U.S. has given up. I can’t imagine what it must be like having to go to work knowing it’s unsafe. It’s hard to see how this ends. There are just going to be more and more people infected, and more and more deaths. It’s heartbreaking.”;   Dr. Siouxsie Wiles, an infectious-diseases specialist at the University of Auckland in New Zealand — a country that has confirmed only three new cases over the past three weeks and where citizens have now largely returned to their pre-coronavirus routines.

33,539 new cases today according to worldometer.  

The virus clearly didn't get the Trump/Pence memo.

Edit: syntax

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On 6/19/2020 at 8:00 PM, tonyhays said:

33,539 new cases today according to worldometer.  

The virus clearly didn't get the Trump/Pence memo.

Edit: syntax

"On Feb. 26, Trump boasted: “You have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.” He was only off by a factor of 2 million. As of this writing, the total number of cases in the United States is 2.3 million, more than any other country. More than 120,000 Americans have died from the disease. At this rate, according to Dr. Deborah Birx, coordinator for the White House coronavirus task force, the death toll will reach 200,000 by Oct. 1. And that’s “if we do things almost perfectly” -— which is clearly not the case, starting with the maskless president himself."

It seems as if America has accepted deaths now higher than US casualties in WWl as it has accepted trump's betrayal of leadership, betrayal of his oath of office.

 

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22 minutes ago, Bigfalls said:

Thanks for putting that marker in there, I was curious to see what effect the protests would have.

Also when most locations started their "re-openings". Crowded beaches, restaurants, bars. Sharing the covid love!

My next door neighbor owns 4 bars in Orlando. He was shut down last week due to a customer with covid being all huggy with a lot of customers recently. Closed indefinitely now. Luckily he has good video coverage that was helpful in following the infected person in order to understand the level of exposure. He's now required to close, deep cleaning of the businesses, testing of ALL employees, quarantine for those in contacted with the person. Given the time, expense, and efforts to modify his businesses in order to safely re-open, he's rather exasperated and completely pissed. 

FloriDUH is in a race to take the lead for numbers of infections. yay.

I wish people would stay the fuck home, wear masks (and stop mocking those that do), wash hands, use sanitizers.

 

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3 minutes ago, normiss said:

Also when most locations started their "re-openings". Crowded beaches, restaurants, bars. Sharing the covid love!

My next door neighbor owns 4 bars in Orlando. He was shut down last week due to a customer with covid being all huggy with a lot of customers recently. Closed indefinitely now. Luckily he has good video coverage that was helpful in following the infected person in order to understand the level of exposure. He's now required to close, deep cleaning of the businesses, testing of ALL employees, quarantine for those in contacted with the person. Given the time, expense, and efforts to modify his businesses in order to safely re-open, he's rather exasperated and completely pissed. 

FloriDUH is in a race to take the lead for numbers of infections. yay.

I wish people would stay the fuck home, wear masks (and stop mocking those that do), wash hands, use sanitizers.

 

I agree but that runs counter to supporting small business especially in the food and beverage industry. Social distancing and cleaning of everything make it hard enough for small business. Then you throw in WTF its time to party attitudes and everything goes back to zero.

Meanwhile your next door neighbor has his life savings flushed down the toilet by indifferent stupidity.

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12 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

I agree but that runs counter to supporting small business especially in the food and beverage industry. Social distancing and cleaning of everything make it hard enough for small business. Then you throw in WTF its time to party attitudes and everything goes back to zero.

Meanwhile your next door neighbor has his life savings flushed down the toilet by indifferent stupidity.

Understand. I'm doing my best to support alcohol sales!

We've had take out / curb pickup a few times, but we are isolating ourselves for the most part. Unsure how long it could take to actually feel comfortable in public.

My youngest daughter stopped over for dad's day dinner. It's been a challenge to see my girls during this. Yesterday she texted me her mom had been exposed at work and was being tested. She apologized, said she felt we should know, and said she would let us know the results. Given it's my ex, I'm somewhat torn (ok - not really, but it's an interesting twist to a crazy woman), but seriously hope we haven't all been exposed now. With the public lack of concern added with the scornful response, it would seem we may all be exposed at some point though.

dammit. I had hoped America was smarter than this.

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