airdvr 197 #1 Posted February 20, 2020 https://www.cleveland.com/news/2020/02/ohio-secretary-of-state-urges-kent-state-to-cancel-jane-fonda-may-4-speech.html On the 50th anniversary I think it's a poor choice. On top of that paying her $83,000 is wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,120 #2 February 20, 2020 Is it dishonoring the National Guardsmen? It sure doesn’t dishonor students who were protesting the Vietnam War, since that’s what she’s excoriated for protesting Wendy P. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,909 #3 February 20, 2020 1 hour ago, airdvr said: https://www.cleveland.com/news/2020/02/ohio-secretary-of-state-urges-kent-state-to-cancel-jane-fonda-may-4-speech.html On the 50th anniversary I think it's a poor choice. On top of that paying her $83,000 is wrong. Tin soldiers and Nixon comin' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,381 #4 February 20, 2020 6 minutes ago, gowlerk said: Tin soldiers and Nixon comin' I recently learned the author of those words became a US citizen just a month ago. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,909 #5 February 20, 2020 1 minute ago, ryoder said: I recently learned the author of those words became a US citizen just a month ago. Yes he did. He went to junior high school in the same place as me and formed his first band here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #6 February 20, 2020 6 hours ago, airdvr said: On the 50th anniversary I think it's a poor choice. On top of that paying her $83,000 is wrong. TBH if there's one day a year to not make a decision based on how veterans feel I'd have thought it would be that one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 197 #7 February 20, 2020 27 minutes ago, jakee said: TBH if there's one day a year to not make a decision based on how veterans feel I'd have thought it would be that one. Why that day? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #8 February 20, 2020 1 hour ago, airdvr said: Why that day? Because it's a day to remember victims of the military, not the military. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #9 February 20, 2020 8 hours ago, airdvr said: https://www.cleveland.com/news/2020/02/ohio-secretary-of-state-urges-kent-state-to-cancel-jane-fonda-may-4-speech.html On the 50th anniversary I think it's a poor choice. On top of that paying her $83,000 is wrong. Many of us still consider her to be a traitor and should not be given any positive accolades at all. For me, it is a wise decision on the part of Kent State. I refuse to watch any of her movies on Amazon or Netflix because she would still receive residual pay. I and my friends still use the Jane Fonda Urinal Target. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 197 #10 February 20, 2020 2 hours ago, jakee said: Because it's a day to remember victims of the military, not the military. There were many victims...civilian and military. Jane Fonda lent aid and comfort to the enemy. Big difference...huge. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #11 February 20, 2020 3 hours ago, RonD1120 said: Many of us still consider her to be a traitor and should not be given any positive accolades at all. For me, it is a wise decision on the part of Kent State. I refuse to watch any of her movies on Amazon or Netflix because she would still receive residual pay. I and my friends still use the Jane Fonda Urinal Target. Is it possible to get more childish than this? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #12 February 20, 2020 16 minutes ago, kallend said: Is it possible to get more childish than this? Given the times we're in and the behavior we're seeing? I expect the answer is yes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #13 February 20, 2020 1 hour ago, airdvr said: There were many victims...civilian and military. Not at Kent State on that day. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 197 #14 February 20, 2020 1 hour ago, jakee said: Not at Kent State on that day. OK....tell me Jane Fonda's connection with May 4, 1970. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,396 #15 February 20, 2020 28 minutes ago, airdvr said: OK....tell me Jane Fonda's connection with May 4, 1970. She was a vocal opponent of the Vietnam War and often protested it in the 1970's. On May 4, 1970, four other opponents of the Vietnam War were murdered at Kent State while they protested. Pretty simple. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #16 February 20, 2020 2 hours ago, kallend said: Is it possible to get more childish than this? Sure . . . He could rip up a speech! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 197 #17 February 20, 2020 3 hours ago, billvon said: She was a vocal opponent of the Vietnam War and often protested it in the 1970's. On May 4, 1970, four other opponents of the Vietnam War were murdered at Kent State while they protested. Pretty simple. She was a vocal opponent who lent aid and comfort to the enemy. Keep trying to pick up that turd from the clean end. It is nice however to see the conservatives aren't acting like the left did when they didn't like the chosen speaker. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #18 February 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, airdvr said: She was a vocal opponent who lent aid and comfort to the enemy. Keep trying to pick up that turd from the clean end. It is nice however to see the conservatives aren't acting like the left did when they didn't like the chosen speaker. These are the same people that we are supposed to believe are morally superior. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,396 #19 February 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, airdvr said: She was a vocal opponent who lent aid and comfort to the enemy. Keep trying to pick up that turd from the clean end. It's funny to hear a Trump supporter complaining about someone working with our enemies. Quote It is nice however to see the conservatives aren't acting like the left did when they didn't like the chosen speaker. Yeah, the right wing tends more towards simple murder. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 197 #20 February 20, 2020 52 minutes ago, billvon said: It's funny to hear a Trump supporter complaining about someone working with our enemies. Yeah, the right wing tends more towards simple murder. That's a really big brush you're painting with. Doesn't require as much clean up <sarcastic font> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #21 February 20, 2020 Jane Fonda has an inherently negative connotation via her label as Hanoi Jane and it's very difficult to have her at an event recognizing events from that era without evoking that context. There are many speakers who's history would not overshadow what they're trying to do. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #22 February 20, 2020 5 hours ago, airdvr said: OK....tell me Jane Fonda's connection with May 4, 1970. The anti-war movement. That's pretty obvious. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #23 February 20, 2020 1 hour ago, airdvr said: It is nice however to see the conservatives aren't acting like the left did when they didn't like the chosen speaker. How do you know that? May 4th hasn't happened yet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #24 February 20, 2020 Hey, at least she didn't get out of going to Vietnam by faking "bone spurs" and then bragging that she was heroic for avoiding STDs. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/natemcdermott/trump-in-1993-the-dating-scene-is-like-vietnam 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,909 #25 February 20, 2020 7 hours ago, airdvr said: OK....tell me Jane Fonda's connection with May 4, 1970. Besides the obvious, she was a tireless hard working figure in the opposition to the huge immoral error that was the American involvement in Vietnam, she still is an active protester who still regularly puts herself out there to be arrested. Many people find her to be an inspiration. Many people find her to be someone to hate. She fits in very well to the Kent State massacre vibe. Which is still an event that divides and stirs emotions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites