SkyDekker 1,122 #76 February 10, 2020 30 minutes ago, turtlespeed said: Trump is not a fine example. He is, in this instance, a red herring, since he has never been on welfare or food stamps; Nor, is he an immigrant in need of funding. Yet nobody is saying anything about the $130,000,000 of tax dollars since funneled to his properties. Properties who until recently employed illegal immigrants. At the same time, lots of people very vocal about illegal immigrants. Sounds pretty much the same as the first example given. Never mind he is married to a former illegal immigrant who has used chain migration to bring the rest of her family here. But I guess chain migration is only bad when brown people come to the US..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #77 February 11, 2020 (edited) 39 minutes ago, SkyDekker said: Yet nobody is saying anything about the $130,000,000 of tax dollars since funneled to his properties. Properties who until recently employed illegal immigrants. At the same time, lots of people very vocal about illegal immigrants. Sounds pretty much the same as the first example given. Never mind he is married to a former illegal immigrant who has used chain migration to bring the rest of her family here. But I guess chain migration is only bad when brown people come to the US..... Why are you so angry? I thought you encouraged immigration - Now you don't? You need to sort out your priorities. Edited February 11, 2020 by turtlespeed She looks kinda brown to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,122 #78 February 11, 2020 Your normal way of simply not addressing any issues that you can't reconcile with your own truthiness. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,396 #79 February 11, 2020 1 hour ago, turtlespeed said: Trump is not a fine example. He's a great example. He rails against illegal immigration while using illegal immigrants to enrich himself. Similar to a great many Republicans. "Drains on society, the lot of them! Rapists! Criminals! On the public tit! Build the wall to keep them out and keep Americans working! Never . . . wait, what? No, Consuela just helps out around the house. And Valentino just does some work out in the garden. They don't count. And no one could have known that the workers at my hotel were illegal immigrants. They seemed so nice." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #80 February 11, 2020 7 minutes ago, billvon said: He's a great example. He rails against illegal immigration while using illegal immigrants to enrich himself. Similar to a great many Republicans. "Drains on society, the lot of them! Rapists! Criminals! On the public tit! Build the wall to keep them out and keep Americans working! Never . . . wait, what? No, Consuela just helps out around the house. And Valentino just does some work out in the garden. They don't count. And no one could have known that the workers at my hotel were illegal immigrants. They seemed so nice." Not even considering his continual abuse of the tax system. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,048 #81 February 11, 2020 55 minutes ago, normiss said: Not even considering his continual abuse of the tax system. Hi Mark, I don't about you, but I'm really curious about what is/is not in his tax returns. Jerry Baumchen 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #82 February 11, 2020 5 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said: Hi Mark, I don't about you, but I'm really curious about what is/is not in his tax returns. Jerry Baumchen Hey Jerry, Given his business history, I couldn't agree more. He's already been show to have over inflated his business values, after under valuing them to obtain loans. It's no wonder he can't get a loan in the US. So much fraud, so many bankruptcies, so many unpaid people he's screwed over. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #83 February 11, 2020 10 hours ago, turtlespeed said: Trump is not a fine example. He is, in this instance, a red herring, since he has never been on welfare or food stamps; Nor, is he an immigrant in need of funding. Depends on your definition of "welfare". He seems to have spent millions of taxpayer $$$ on his golf outings. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #84 February 11, 2020 4 hours ago, kallend said: Depends on your definition of "welfare". He seems to have spent millions of taxpayer $$$ on his golf outings. He's not the first nor will he be the last. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #85 February 11, 2020 25 minutes ago, turtlespeed said: He's not the first nor will he be the last. Irrelevant. He's still a welfare king while preying on the poor. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #86 February 11, 2020 44 minutes ago, kallend said: Irrelevant. He's still a welfare king while preying on the poor. He's not preying on the poor any more than Tesla, or Motel 6 is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #87 February 11, 2020 21 minutes ago, turtlespeed said: He's not preying on the poor any more than Tesla, or Motel 6 is. Neither Tesla nor Motel 6 has the ability to strip poor people of their limited access to healthcare. He does, and is trying to do just that. I'm sure you'll be ok with the increase in healthcare costs that everyone has to pay to cover their increase in costs due to reduction in access and coverage. While Tesla and Motel 6 may take advantage of current tax structure, we have yet to see any proof they are forging their worth and property values to falsely manipulate their tax debts. Trump does this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #88 February 11, 2020 1 hour ago, normiss said: Neither Tesla nor Motel 6 has the ability to strip poor people of their limited access to healthcare. He does, and is trying to do just that. I'm sure you'll be ok with the increase in healthcare costs that everyone has to pay to cover their increase in costs due to reduction in access and coverage. While Tesla and Motel 6 may take advantage of current tax structure, we have yet to see any proof they are forging their worth and property values to falsely manipulate their tax debts. Trump does this. As bad as I was bent over the last time, with regards to healthcare (As were so many others) - it may be refreshing to see people experience what I went through. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,396 #89 February 11, 2020 1 hour ago, turtlespeed said: As bad as I was bent over the last time, with regards to healthcare (As were so many others) - it may be refreshing to see people experience what I went through. So you want poor people to suffer because you once suffered? The parable about making the whole world blind comes to mind. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #90 February 11, 2020 29 minutes ago, billvon said: So you want poor people to suffer because you once suffered? The parable about making the whole world blind comes to mind. Not necessarily. I want the people that were responsible for the outcome to suffer like I did. I want the people that actually pushed it through to lose the same percentage of income and savings as I did. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,122 #91 February 11, 2020 14 hours ago, normiss said: Hey Jerry, Given his business history, I couldn't agree more. He's already been show to have over inflated his business values, after under valuing them to obtain loans. It's no wonder he can't get a loan in the US. So much fraud, so many bankruptcies, so many unpaid people he's screwed over. This is one of the few areas where I will "defend" Trump. Real Estate valuations are not straight forward calculations and it is not at all uncommon to have differing valuations for different purposes. Generally you would want to argue a valuation differently for: taxes, financing and insurance purposes. This is also when you contract a firm to perform a valuation they will generally ask you for what purpose you want to complete the valuation. Under normal circumstances this is not illegal. However, I can certainly see Trump Corp providing false information used in the valuations, which could be illegal. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #92 February 11, 2020 32 minutes ago, SkyDekker said: This is also when you contract a firm to perform a valuation they will generally ask you for what purpose you want to complete the valuation. Under normal circumstances this is not illegal. However, I can certainly see Trump Corp providing false information used in the valuations, which could be illegal. And of course valuations used for investors that are false will put you in jail since that's flat our fraud. BUT I can assure all readers that there's no way Trump would've made it past through primaries without this being exposed, he's way too high of a profile anyway for investors to not know exactly how much his property is worth, thus why he had such trouble getting loans. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #93 February 11, 2020 8 hours ago, turtlespeed said: He's not preying on the poor any more than Tesla, or Motel 6 is. I wonder how many SNAP recipients could be supported with the taxpayer money spent on Trump's golf outings. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #94 February 11, 2020 So we now have Trump's DoJ interfering with the courts: https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/11/politics/roger-stone-sentencing-justice-department/index.html More like a banana republic with every passing day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #95 February 12, 2020 21 minutes ago, kallend said: So we now have Trump's DoJ interfering with the courts: https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/11/politics/roger-stone-sentencing-justice-department/index.html More like a banana republic with every passing day. Maybe the thing we will now talk about will be the first POTUS in history to face a second round of impeachment charges. He appears to be doing all he can to earn them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfzombie13 307 #96 February 12, 2020 38 minutes ago, kallend said: I wonder how many SNAP recipients could be supported with the taxpayer money spent on Trump's golf outings. we could probably end world hunger with the money spent on the election. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #97 February 12, 2020 17 minutes ago, sfzombie13 said: we could probably end world hunger with the money spent on the election. Capitalism is doing that now. https://www.dailywire.com/news/amazing-chart-shows-just-how-capitalism-has-aaron-bandler Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfzombie13 307 #98 February 12, 2020 13 hours ago, brenthutch said: Capitalism is doing that now. https://www.dailywire.com/news/amazing-chart-shows-just-how-capitalism-has-aaron-bandler well that is just plain wrong in most cases. like the technology moving rapidly part toward the end. yes it is, and it is also leading to a scarcity of the rare earth metals needed to perpetuate the throw away society we have moved toward in the last 50 years. the only excuse for replacing a cell phone in less that 5 years is so the company can make more money off of you. the industry (can't recall specifics right now, but mainly drink manufacturers coke and pepsi) did away with recycling bottles in the '80s and we haven't looked back since, except for them to put the burden of keeping the planet in good shape with the consumers. so, they make more money and destroy the planet and we get blamed because we don't recycle enough. then every other industry jumps on board and we get single use everything and plastic micro particles infusing every organism on the planet and we still don't know the long term health effects. nice job, capitalism. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #99 February 12, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, sfzombie13 said: nice job, capitalism. Fed more people than a million Live Aid concerts. https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/12/weve-just-had-the-best-decade-in-human-history-seriously/ Edited February 12, 2020 by brenthutch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfzombie13 307 #100 February 12, 2020 19 minutes ago, brenthutch said: Fed more people than a million Live Aid concerts. https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/12/weve-just-had-the-best-decade-in-human-history-seriously/ and? does any of that negate what i said? i don't think so, but it is nice that it is trending the other way. the problem is, folks see things like this and stop doing what it took to get there. like politics, it was always bad and they have always been corrupt, it just used to be hidden a lot more and they actually cared about what they let us see. now they don't care because they think there is nothing we can do to stop it. the original article said there were 250 odd million folks not starving out of 750 million. yes, it is progress, but we could do so much better were it not for greed. like the live aid concerts you mentioned. if folks were to just donate time and coverage rather than selling it, then they could get a lot more money where it is needed. but governments are supposed to take care of the people, not other people, otherwise, why have a government? i read somewhere it took almost 80% of the money for the live aids just to raise the money, but that was a long time ago and it may not have been true. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
