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HRC is out claiming that one of the current females running for President will be a Russian supported third party candidate in key states. Can she feel that bad about hosing Biden and the Nation last time around? Hmm.. as everyone knows, a socialist is simply a communist who denies being a Russian. I wonder who she's trying to submarine? 

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39 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

HRC is out claiming that one of the current females running for President will be a Russian supported third party candidate in key states. Can she feel that bad about hosing Biden and the Nation last time around? Hmm.. as everyone knows, a socialist is simply a communist who denies being a Russian. I wonder who she's trying to submarine? 

She's referring to Tulsi Gabbard.  It's been the subject of a lot of discussion for a while now.   The theory (insofar as I understand it) is that Tulsi would be the weakest of the current Dem candidates in the general election against Trump, and therefore if she was the nominee, that would help Trump, since Trump is a Russian asset (and not as useful if he's out of office).

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31 minutes ago, Skwrl said:

She's referring to Tulsi Gabbard.  It's been the subject of a lot of discussion for a while now.   The theory (insofar as I understand it) is that Tulsi would be the weakest of the current Dem candidates in the general election against Trump, and therefore if she was the nominee, that would help Trump, since Trump is a Russian asset (and not as useful if he's out of office).

Yep, I read that, too. But with Clinton I always wonder what she's up to.

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39 minutes ago, Skwrl said:

Tulsi would be the weakest of the current Dem candidates

Hi Skwrl,

Other than Joe's post said:  'Russian supported third party candidate'

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  And I would not put it past HRC to try for the nomination again.

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19 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Skwrl,

Other than Joe's post said:  'Russian supported third party candidate'

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  And I would not put it past HRC to try for the nomination again.

Right. 

HRC's comment was [the Russians have] "got their eye on somebody who's currently in the Democratic primary and are grooming her to be the third-party candidate." 

(That would rule out Stein, I guess, for what that's worth, since Stein's not currently in the Democratic primary.)

Gabbard isn't making any progress in her attempt to get the Democratic nomination, and the chatter is that she (Gabbard) would run as an Independent as a result.   A quick Google came up with this.

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1 minute ago, Skwrl said:

Right. 

HRC's comment was [the Russians have] "got their eye on somebody who's currently in the Democratic primary and are grooming her to be the third-party candidate." 

(That would rule out Stein, I guess, for what that's worth, since Stein's not currently in the Democratic primary.)

Gabbard isn't making any progress in her attempt to get the Democratic nomination, and the chatter is that she (Gabbard) would run as an Independent as a result.   A quick Google came up with this.

Could be Marianne, too.  I'm not even being snarky.

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3 minutes ago, yobnoc said:

Could be Marianne, too.  I'm not even being snarky.

That's an interesting point!  I just looked and apparently she just announced that she won't run as an independent when (she said if, but it's when) she doesn't get the nomination.  Not sure about the timing of the HRC statement vs. her statement though, so who knows....

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11 minutes ago, Skwrl said:

 

 

(That would rule out Stein, I guess, for what that's worth, since Stein's not currently in the Democratic primary.)

 

My wife and Stein were colleagues as residents after medical school.  Wife says Stein was nutty then,  too.

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53 minutes ago, Skwrl said:

Right. 

HRC's comment was [the Russians have] "got their eye on somebody who's currently in the Democratic primary and are grooming her to be the third-party candidate." 

(That would rule out Stein, I guess, for what that's worth, since Stein's not currently in the Democratic primary.)

Gabbard isn't making any progress in her attempt to get the Democratic nomination, and the chatter is that she (Gabbard) would run as an Independent as a result.   A quick Google came up with this.

Skwrl, I'm more inclined to believe you than me. That said, just because Trump couldn't flip a tiddlywink with a spatula doesn't mean Clinton can't play three dimensional chess. With her I always look for what she's really thinking.

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1 minute ago, JoeWeber said:

Skwrl, I'm more inclined to believe you than me. That said, just because Trump couldn't flip a tiddlywink with a spatula doesn't mean Clinton can't play three dimensional chess. With her I always look for what she's really thinking.

Gotcha.  I'm not taking any position on whether HRC would run or not, although if you forced me to bet, I'd say not, for a variety of reasons.  But that's just speculation.  

I was just commenting on who I thought HRC meant when she was referring to the "current Dem/future third party candidate backed by the Russians".   I mean, it's pretty clear the "she" in the reference wasn't, for example, Warren.  

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Hillary Clinton in a new interview appeared to float a conspiracy theory that the Russians are “grooming” Hawaii congresswoman and Democratic presidential candidate Tulsi Gabbard to be a third-party candidate in 2020, while claiming 2016 Green Party nominee Jill Stein is "also" a Russian asset.

Pretty serious accusation. 

"That’s assuming Jill Stein will give it up, which she might not because she’s also a Russian asset."

Seems like she is floating a conspiracy theory to further some political agenda. At least she didn't accuse her of operating a pedophile ring out of a pizzeria.

 

 

 

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32 minutes ago, Rick said:

Hillary Clinton in a new interview appeared to float a conspiracy theory that the Russians are “grooming” Hawaii congresswoman and Democratic presidential candidate Tulsi Gabbard to be a third-party candidate in 2020, while claiming 2016 Green Party nominee Jill Stein is "also" a Russian asset.

Pretty serious accusation. 

"That’s assuming Jill Stein will give it up, which she might not because she’s also a Russian asset."

Seems like she is floating a conspiracy theory to further some political agenda. At least she didn't accuse her of operating a pedophile ring out of a pizzeria.

 

 

 

Given that she accurately predicted trump's servitude to Russia, it might be worth listening to her on this one.

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1 hour ago, Stumpy said:

Given that she accurately predicted trump's servitude to Russia, it might be worth listening to her on this one.

I guess just seems like a crazy accusation to make. Especially at people in her own political party.

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4 hours ago, Stumpy said:

Given that she accurately predicted trump's servitude to Russia, it might be worth listening to her on this one.

Trump's obsequiousness toward Putin is obvious, but the Trump administration is much tougher on Russia that the Obama administration

https://www.npr.org/2018/07/20/630659379/is-trump-the-toughest-ever-on-russia

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4 hours ago, Stumpy said:

Given that she accurately predicted trump's servitude to Russia, it might be worth listening to her on this one.

 

3 hours ago, Rick said:

I guess just seems like a crazy accusation to make. Especially at people in her own political party.

How so?

I can easily see the Russian propaganda machine getting behind a D as a 3rd party candidate. It would split the vote, as Perot did in 92 and as many felt Nader was doing in 00. 

This isn't accusing the candidate of actually working with the Russians. (you know, that 'collusion' thing). 
This is more the idea that the Russians will do what they can to screw us over. 
And 4 more years of Trump would certainly do that.

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6 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said:

This isn't accusing the candidate of actually working with the Russians

maybe I was reading more into it but when she says they are "grooming" a candidate I would think the candidate would have to be involved in the process?? 

 

"I'm not making any predictions, but I think they've got their eye on somebody who is currently in the Democratic primary and are grooming her to be the third-party candidate," Clinton said

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the article above was from CNN

in an NBC article she is quoted as saying " said she believes one candidate is "the favorite of the Russians."

That seems like a  more reasonable statement.  I know there is  proof that they tried to help Jill Stein in 2016.

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25 minutes ago, kallend said:

Sure, like the way he gave up Syria to Putin.

I was wondering about that. Isn't Turkey a NATO ally? Not that this administration has really been shown to give a shit about NATO but don't we have some kind of obligation to Turkey??  

edited to add: maybe I should be asking htis in a different thread??

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1 hour ago, kallend said:

Sure, like the way he gave up Syria to Putin.

Uh, Syria had been a Soviet/Russian client state for more than half a century.  Russia has had a naval base in Syria since 1971.  So I'm not sure you know what you are talking about.

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1 hour ago, Rick said:

I was wondering about that. Isn't Turkey a NATO ally? Not that this administration has really been shown to give a shit about NATO but don't we have some kind of obligation to Turkey??  

edited to add: maybe I should be asking htis in a different thread??

Which NATO obligation was the US afoul off prior to pulling out so fast the Russians have already taken over your bases in Syria? Don't think the NATO framework has wording around facilitating invasions and attempted ethnic cleansing.

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1 hour ago, SkyDekker said:

Which NATO obligation was the US afoul off prior to pulling out so fast the Russians have already taken over your bases in Syria? Don't think the NATO framework has wording around facilitating invasions and attempted ethnic cleansing.


Or leaving them with 50 B61 nuclear bombs.

 

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