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DZ wind limit tdm skydiving

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How legally binding is the DZ wind limit tdm skydiving in court.

can the set wind limit overrule BSR’s and UPT tandem instructor using his better judgment to make a safety call and stand down.

DZ has a 24knot gust  wind limit and calls the plane down when gusting 27knots.
 

5Mph to 25 gust mph and wind direction is changing 180 degrees every 5 min.But since these winds are below the DZ’s set wind limits for tdm the DZO can fire you and sue you for early independent contractor agreement termination.

 

tdm catcher was needed but could not catch the tdm on landing since the tdm was pushed back up 15 feet in the air.

 

No other whiteness around and all staff working that day including the pilot are not backing the TI up,rather they are lying to back up the DZO.

Pilot with 300 hours landing plane in 30knot wind sheer,got to sketchy for him and he stoped flying.But now claims winds were calm that day,as the DZO had to appear in court.

 

tdm catcher and second TI are also lying about the wind speed that day.

DZ at 6000feet elevation.

 

what to do I like to know.

 

 

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Thank you 20kN that’s a pretty darn awesome input and advise.

Standing down and using your better judgment in sketchy winds.

How legally binding would be the DZO’s claim for loss in revenue? 

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You sure do love drama don't you? Have you ever posted anything here that was not critical of a DZ or person? Seriously, if you have real and verifiable information about a serious violation why don't you just post the details and name names. Otherwise you are just making noise.

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If your IC contract doesn't have a clause that gives you final say in whether or not to jump, to be able to say 'this isn't safe and I'm not doing it' without punishment...

 

Find a different DZ.

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Thank you wolfriverjoe.

Plaintiff used verbal persuasion to create doubt for other operators and clients at the DZ.Another accusation? in reference to use our better judgment and UPT standard code of conduct.

 

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No comment.Another cowboy DZ.

choose your part and keep getting in those airplanes.

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First off: please do not use the word "legal" around me because I am allergic to lawyers who  shamelessly argue any side of a case as long as they get paid. Lawyers and courts do not care about the letter of the law.

Without written laws, you have to revert to "best business practices." If Strong Enterprises tells you not to jump tandems in winds exceeding "X" knots, you are morally obligated to stay on the ground. When forced to chose between slightly different standards (from two or three sources) work to the tightest, most conservative standard.

The other vaguery is local wind patterns. For example, a dz may be safe to jump when winds remain steady from most directions, but winds get turbulent from the south. Then you have a legitimate reason for refusing to jump in southerly winds. 

Similarly, if southerly winds increase the risk of landing on a obstacle (e.g. lake), you have a valid excuse to stay on the ground.

My personal standards are maximum 23 knots wind or gusts exceeding 5 knots. I watch the wind sock or wind-meter for 30 minutes before making that decision. Major vertical turbulence is also a valid excuse for not jumping.

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" How legally binding is the DZ wind limit tdm skydiving in court. "

Not at all because there is none. The FAA is the only ones that write laws in the USA as it applies to skydiving and there is no FAA FAR or CFR on wind limits, not for students, not for tandems, not for licensed skydivers. The USPA has a BSR for students jumping in winds, but that does not apply to tandems. There is no USPA BSR for wind limits relating to tandems or licensed skydivers.

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