brenthutch 383 #151 December 16, 2019 20 minutes ago, billvon said: Yes. Specifically, it is to hold them responsible for their actions. In what manner? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #152 December 16, 2019 48 minutes ago, brenthutch said: In what manner? Lack of and resistance to action in addressing the issue is what I see. Refusing to acknowledge and act on a scientifically proven issue that will affect life on the only planet we have at this point, yeah that might be important to those following us. Ignoring things is sure to make them go away. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #153 December 16, 2019 (edited) So what should happen to these "deniers"? Should we be rounded up and sent to a tribunal in the Hague for our climate crimes? Mabey sent to a reeducation camp in China where we would slave away in a solar panel factory? Edited December 16, 2019 by brenthutch 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,298 #154 December 16, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, billvon said: Yes. Specifically, it is to hold them responsible for their actions. I doubt anyone enjoys spanking Brent more than I do. Well maybe his wife, I guess, but I digress. You're absolutely right, today. Sadly history has it going in both directions. That is what makes it such a troubling thing what she said and why she has subsequently apologized. Stell das gegen die wand, meant something very serious in the past. Let's be fair, she serves a purpose but that's about it. Edited December 16, 2019 by JoeWeber I'm a doof 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,396 #155 December 16, 2019 1 hour ago, brenthutch said: So what should happen to these "deniers"? Should we be rounded up and sent to a tribunal in the Hague for our climate crimes? Mabey sent to a reeducation camp in China where we would slave away in a solar panel factory? Nope. You can play your own word games. Most people know what "hold people responsible" means. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #156 December 16, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, billvon said: Nope. You can play your own word games. Most people know what "hold people responsible" means. And most (thinking) people know what "put them against the wall" means. If Greta thought otherwise she wouldn't have had to apologize. Edited December 16, 2019 by brenthutch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,120 #157 December 16, 2019 It's an idiom in Swedish that has a different meaning in English. Not uncommon for second language speakers. My brother had a rather embarrassing experience in Brazil using the expression "give him the hairy eyeball." Note that we grew up in Brazil; our Portuguese is really good. But we didn't get as much education in the finer curse words (even as teenagers!). In Brazil it's a crude euphemism for penis. My the looks he got... So maybe a 16-year-old translating a Swedish expression into English didn't realize the other meaning in English. Even talk about a fanny pack in England? Or hear an Englishman call someone a cunt in the US? Wendy P. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,396 #158 December 16, 2019 9 minutes ago, brenthutch said: And most (thinking) people know what "put them against the wall" means. If Greta thought otherwise she wouldn't have had to apologize. Most English speakers do know. She's not a native English speaker, and in her language the phrase means something different. But you knew that, and just don't want to admit you were wrong. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #159 December 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, wmw999 said: It's an idiom in Swedish that has a different meaning in English. Not uncommon for second language speakers. My brother had a rather embarrassing experience in Brazil using the expression "give him the hairy eyeball." Note that we grew up in Brazil; our Portuguese is really good. But we didn't get as much education in the finer curse words (even as teenagers!). In Brazil it's a crude euphemism for penis. My the looks he got... So maybe a 16-year-old translating a Swedish expression into English didn't realize the other meaning in English. Even talk about a fanny pack in England? Or hear an Englishman call someone a cunt in the US? Wendy P. That reminds me of the time my bank was expanding into the UK, the demand far outpaced what we could accommodate, so we had to send several credit analysists from the US to pick up the slack. Phrases like "why don't you knock me up later" and "on the job" had vastly different meaning in the two countries. :-0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,396 #160 December 16, 2019 1 minute ago, brenthutch said: That reminds me of the time my bank was expanding into the UK, the demand far outpaced what we could accommodate, so we had to send several credit analysists from the US to pick up the slack. Or when I gave the legs-out signal to a British AFF student and he thought I was flipping him off. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #161 December 16, 2019 On 12/14/2019 at 12:13 PM, rifleman said: Whereas bigotry and hatred is how the right drive theirs. No. . . . Well, Yes, but its about equal. BOTH sides do that in several ways. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #162 December 16, 2019 LOLOLOL Like Wendy says - this is chosen. She's grandstanding. I'm not attacking her - But I find this pretty ironic. Found on another site - Face palm Moment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #163 December 16, 2019 44 minutes ago, turtlespeed said: LOLOLOL Like Wendy says - this is chosen. She's grandstanding. I'm not attacking her - But I find this pretty ironic. Found on another site - Face palm Moment. Not sure where the image was taken, but here in Central FloriDUH, we recycle those plastic containers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #164 December 16, 2019 Just now, normiss said: Not sure where the image was taken, but here in Central FloriDUH, we recycle those plastic containers. I also see its winter in the background - Those Bananas on the table lead me to believe that they had to be flown on a JET A burning vehicle to get them to her. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,909 #165 December 16, 2019 7 hours ago, brenthutch said: In what manner? That's easy. She will use the media as a weapon. Didn't sort that out in another thread? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #166 December 16, 2019 4 hours ago, turtlespeed said: LOLOLOL Like Wendy says - this is chosen. She's grandstanding. I'm not attacking her - But I find this pretty ironic. Found on another site - Face palm Moment. Train is just about the most energy efficient way to travel or move goods. And I very much doubt if Greta chooses the utensils in the restaurant car. This is really the STUPIDEST criticism of her that I've seen, and I've seen a lot of stupid ones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,120 #167 December 16, 2019 7 hours ago, turtlespeed said: LOLOLOL Like Wendy says - this is chosen. She's grandstanding. I'm not attacking her - But I find this pretty ironic. Found on another site - Face palm Moment. Naw, it's funny. Yes, she is riding on a train, and using what was (probably) provided by the train company. Everyone has to make compromises, and this juxtaposition is funny. Just as the use of the sailboat was grandstanding, but it really helped her to get what she felt was her message out. Grandstanding is what you do when you're trying to publicize something, it's how you get the word out. Wendy P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,298 #168 December 16, 2019 11 minutes ago, wmw999 said: Naw, it's funny. Yes, she is riding on a train, and using what was (probably) provided by the train company. Everyone has to make compromises, and this juxtaposition is funny. Just as the use of the sailboat was grandstanding, but it really helped her to get what she felt was her message out. Grandstanding is what you do when you're trying to publicize something, it's how you get the word out. Wendy P. Has anyone confirmed authenticity? In any case, and maybe it's a result of my predilection for First Class travel, but do they actually serve a full loaf of bread, tubs of grocery store goop, over ripe banana's and large bags of trail mix in coach? Do they also make you bring your own reusable water bottles? That's not right. I might just say it's actually very left. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #169 December 16, 2019 4 hours ago, kallend said: This is really the STUPIDEST criticism of her that I've seen, and I've seen a lot of stupid ones. If that statement is true, you don't seem to be very well read, or informed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #170 December 16, 2019 On 12/14/2019 at 9:43 AM, turtlespeed said: Panic and fear is how the left drive their policies. https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4737466/user-clip-trumps-muslim-ban Should I continue? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #171 December 16, 2019 1 minute ago, DJL said: On 12/14/2019 at 9:43 AM, turtlespeed said: Panic and fear is how the left drive their policies. https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4737466/user-clip-trumps-muslim-ban Should I continue? What about all the whataboutism? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,298 #172 December 16, 2019 16 hours ago, brenthutch said: So what should happen to these "deniers"? Should we be rounded up and sent to a tribunal in the Hague for our climate crimes? Mabey sent to a reeducation camp in China where we would slave away in a solar panel factory? Is this something we can vote on? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Erroll 49 #173 January 23, 2020 Impressive performance by young Gretha at Davos. No theatrics, very measured and well delivered address, I thought. https://edition.cnn.com/videos/business/2020/01/21/trump-greta-thunberg-climate-davos-lon-orig.cnn-business/video/playlists/business-davos/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 197 #174 January 24, 2020 Absolutely Make sure your economic future is decided by a teenager. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #175 January 24, 2020 (edited) On 1/23/2020 at 1:07 AM, Erroll said: Impressive performance by young Gretha at Davos. No theatrics, very measured and well delivered address, I thought. https://edition.cnn.com/videos/business/2020/01/21/trump-greta-thunberg-climate-davos-lon-orig.cnn-business/video/playlists/business-davos/ No theatrics!! Her entire presence is a theatric. Its a set up - Put a little girl out there crying for this or that and wait for your opponent to go after her. Voila - instant martyr. Theatrics that are designed, engineered, and quite effective. Look at the comments above for proof. Look at the media for proof. Poor Greta. You do know her childhood was ruined, right? . . . . then the opponents are vilified. Perfect storm. Edited January 24, 2020 by turtlespeed changed scapegoat to martyr - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
