turtlespeed 212 #801 January 24, 2020 20 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said: Hi Wendy, One great fix IMO would to eliminate the party(s) system. But, it ain't gonna happen. Jerry Baumchen I have often thought thought collating the states into regions may be a fix. I haven't spent a great amount of time with that idea, nor have I spent a lot of time trying to figure out actual districts, super counties, or Provinces - whatever they would be called. I think it would be worth creating a model of, though. Yes - I get that this is a climate map - but it would be interesting to see what an election cycle, with an electoral college for each region would end up looking like. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,121 #802 January 24, 2020 Turtle, your map got me to wondering. Is the US just plain too big, diverse, and populous to effectively be governed by a single government? I realize that some folks want to return to an era when diversity wasn't really allowed, but that's not going to happen. With the platforms of social media and other internet-based broadcasting, all these differing opinions can be made known. Reducing the size of the governmental entities tries to bring some commonality back to them. When you look at the EU, it recognizes far more diversity among its member states than the US does; there's a lot of history and Supreme Court decisions that got us here, but maybe "here" isn't ideal for actual people. Wendy P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,381 #803 January 24, 2020 8 hours ago, headoverheels said: I don't totally agree with "none." Certainly Trump was handed a good and growing economy, but his deficit spending did and does provide some stimulus. And he has also been doing his damnedest to torpedo the economy with his tariff idiocy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfzombie13 307 #804 January 24, 2020 1 hour ago, wmw999 said: With the platforms of social media and other internet-based broadcasting, all these differing opinions can be made known. Reducing the size of the governmental entities tries to bring some commonality back to them. When you look at the EU, it recognizes far more diversity among its member states than the US does; there's a lot of history and Supreme Court decisions that got us here, but maybe "here" isn't ideal for actual people. Wendy P. they gave up that possibility when the civil war ended the era of states rights. the electoral system is what needs to go first. i have heard the argument that it stops a few cities from deciding the elections, but that is bullshit. at least the ACTUAL CITIZENS get to decide if they scrap it, the way it is now, it moves the decision to a few states and puts it in the hands of PEOPLE WHO AREN'T EVEN PICKED BY US!!. where is the outrage there? mostly nullified by good propaganda put out by the republicans. pro tip: if major corporations want something bad enough to give money to politicians, you probably don't want to let it happen if you are protecting the interests of the PEOPLE, as they should be. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #805 January 24, 2020 1 hour ago, wmw999 said: Turtle, your map got me to wondering. Is the US just plain too big, diverse, and populous to effectively be governed by a single government? . . . . but maybe "here" isn't ideal for actual people. Wendy P. That was my general interrogative, or wonderment, or curiosity; Whatever you want to call it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,340 #806 January 24, 2020 52 minutes ago, ryoder said: And he has also been doing his damnedest to torpedo the economy with his tariff idiocy. Don't forget his pressure on the Fed to lower interest rates. Great way for him to pay less on all the money he owes. But it is also a great way to create inflation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #807 January 24, 2020 17 hours ago, normiss said: Sure was nice of Obama to hand him such a well running economy machine. Well That Sir is BS. Obama came into office with some serious financial issues, Housing Market crashing, Dot Com companies going to shit. He didn't do much to pull US out of that...he did some stupid shit like the ACA and the Billion plus dollars spent on a WEB Site that didn't work. Obama was the only President in History to never see economic growth above 3%...how did he put it to the American people...Hey, dudes, get use to the "NEW NORMAL". Yea 2% was the new normal. Trump is seeing 3% and on occasion a bit higher than 3%. Obama's spent more of his time curing perceived social injustices rather than promoting economic growth. Trump at the end of 2017 convinced Congress to cut income taxes for all Americans...which I'm sure helped you and yours. Trump has spent a great deal of time reversing many of Obama's counterproductive regulations. Doing so is a BIG REASON little fellas like myself are seeing the benefits in our pockets. Yes sir...in 2019 my wife and I combined made more in interest on our life savings than I made in 2019. That there is WINNING. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,121 #808 January 24, 2020 19 hours ago, RonD1120 said: Our economy will be so strong that folks would not think of voting against Trump in 2020. Don't worry a recession is coming. I am sure you will find a way to blame it on Democrats. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #809 January 24, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, SkyDekker said: Don't worry a recession is coming. I am sure you will find a way to blame it on Democrats. Ahhhh NOOOO!! Unlike most people I live in Real Vel...however you wish to spell it. Financial Markets operate much like a Clock. There are periods of Growth and their are periods of Down Turns. Dollar Cost Averaging is where the magic happens. There is no escaping down turns in any economy...like any life cycle there is New Birth and there is Death...well more like slowing down. But I will say when it comes to DEMs they seem to have issues with Pronouns??? OHH...recessions only truly happen to individuals who wish to participate in one....but they do happen. Edited January 24, 2020 by Channman Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #810 January 24, 2020 28 minutes ago, SkyDekker said: Don't worry a recession is coming. Key word's there, "don't worry." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,381 #811 January 24, 2020 45 minutes ago, Channman said: Obama was the only President in History to never see economic growth above 3%... How about doing a little research before making a statement like that? - Nixon (1969-74), 2.8% - Ford (1975-76), 2.6% - G. H. W. Bush (1989-92), 2.3% - G. W. Bush (2001-08), 2.1% - Truman (1946-52), 1.7% And that is just post-WWII! Source: https://www.hudson.org/research/12714-economic-growth-by-president Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,121 #812 January 24, 2020 44 minutes ago, Channman said: .recessions only truly happen to individuals who wish to participate in one Sound financial advice. Don't want a recession just post on facebook that you do not wish to participate! 45 minutes ago, Channman said: Unlike most people I live in Real Vel. right.....whatever that means. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #813 January 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Channman said: Obama's spent more of his time curing perceived social injustices rather than promoting economic growth. Trump at the end of 2017 convinced Congress to cut income taxes for all Americans...which I'm sure helped you and yours. Trump has spent a great deal of time reversing many of Obama's counterproductive regulations. Doing so is a BIG REASON little fellas like myself are seeing the benefits in our pockets. Trump's economy is marginally better than the path it was on. A path overseen by a President who worked to make sure those who were on the brink of losing it all in a terrible economy didn't entirely capsize. Please take a closer look at the example you're making of one President who you say only did things to negatively affect the economy and one who you say has done all these tremendous things to improve the economy and relate it to economic and job growth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,048 #814 January 24, 2020 35 minutes ago, ryoder said: How about doing a little research Hi Robert, Me thinks you ask too much of people. Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,396 #815 January 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Channman said: Well That Sir is BS. Obama came into office with some serious financial issues, Housing Market crashing, Dot Com companies going to shit. He didn't do much to pull US out of that.. ?? He, in fact, did pull the US out of that. For proof of that, look at the country's GDP. For the first year we saw the fallout of the Bush recession, with negative GDP numbers. After that we saw it go positive and average around 2%. So is Trump - he's averaging around 2% as well. Meanwhile, yes, Trump did have a 3.2% quarter. Obama had a 4% quarter. So, if you believe that the president has a direct effect on the economy, Obama did far better (at his best) than Trump has ever done. Trump can't hold a candle to Obama in terms of GDP growth. Quote Obama's spent more of his time curing perceived social injustices rather than promoting economic growth. Trump at the end of 2017 convinced Congress to cut income taxes for all Americans...which I'm sure helped you and yours. Any president who spends all his time cutting taxes and racking up record levels of debt while ignoring issues of justice, foreign affairs, environmental protection, education and fiscal responsibility is a shortsighted fool. Period. 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,048 #816 January 25, 2020 Hi folks, A rather timely story: https://www.npr.org/2020/01/25/799428031/remembering-a-congressman-who-bucked-his-party-on-an-impeachment Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,048 #817 January 28, 2020 Hi folks, I'm wondering if the knives are coming out. Re: 'Mitt makes his move' https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/27/romney-trial-impeachment-senate-trump-107171 It will be interesting to see how far it goes. Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #818 January 28, 2020 56 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said: Hi folks, I'm wondering if the knives are coming out. Re: 'Mitt makes his move' https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/27/romney-trial-impeachment-senate-trump-107171 It will be interesting to see how far it goes. Jerry Baumchen PBS is reporting there are 51 votes for witnesses. Doesn't mean the republicans will do anything with that, but it might be an opening or a foot in the door. It appears the evidence is more than there, up to the republicans and what legacy they choose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #819 January 28, 2020 39 minutes ago, normiss said: It appears the evidence is more than there More than there? What does that mean? I always thought that something is either there or it isn't. Is this a four-dimensional concept like a tesseract? Where is this 4th dimension to find such evidence - it sounds complex, would we be able to experience it, to understand it? (sorry, I just couldn't help myself) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,121 #820 January 28, 2020 Whew. MC Escher would have done that if he’d had a computer. Wendy P. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #821 January 28, 2020 11 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said: Hi folks, I'm wondering if the knives are coming out. Re: 'Mitt makes his move' https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/27/romney-trial-impeachment-senate-trump-107171 It will be interesting to see how far it goes. Jerry Baumchen I don't think Mitt has the clout to make this happen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #822 January 28, 2020 20 minutes ago, DJL said: I don't think Mitt has the clout to make this happen. Don't dash his dreams against reality. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #823 January 28, 2020 12 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said: It will be interesting to see how far it goes. What is so interesting to me, is how so few are paying proper credit to Pelosi's manipulation of the candidates and their availability to make it to what is considered the most important venue in election politics. Why is that do you think? Why is it that someone can abuse their power with something like an impeachment, and it's just given a pass with so few raising concerns? I think its going about as well as it can for the democrats. The distractions are working to get Biden a larger margin. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 197 #824 January 28, 2020 1 hour ago, DJL said: I don't think Mitt has the clout to make this happen. If clout were dynamite Mitt couldn't blow his nose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,396 #825 January 28, 2020 28 minutes ago, airdvr said: If clout were dynamite Mitt couldn't blow his nose. Uh oh! Mitt has a different opinion than Trump supporters - CRUCIFY HIM! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
