Rick 67 #401 February 11, 2020 18 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said: I think he simply sh** his pants and was too scared to do anything but hide. of course you think that because it FEELS right to you. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,903 #402 February 15, 2020 (edited) Seven YO shoots 11 YO, but it happened in Chicago so does anyone care? https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2020/2/14/21138628/11-year-old-boy-shot-by-7-year-old-sister-lawndale Meanwhile, also in Chicogoland, two more child victims and a child perp. https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2020/2/14/21138628/11-year-old-boy-shot-by-7-year-old-sister-lawndale Edited February 15, 2020 by gowlerk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,903 #403 February 15, 2020 And in Dallas an 11 YO shoots his 5 YO brother. https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/boy-accidentally-shot-in-dallas-by-brother/2311696/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,903 #404 February 15, 2020 In Omaha a 14 yo has an accident with a 9mm he "found in a laundromat". 18 yo friend is dead. https://www.ketv.com/article/prosecutors-high-school-student-accidentally-killed-by-middle-schooler-suspect-charged-with-manslaughter/30918156 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,903 #405 February 16, 2020 I guess it's good news, sort of, that instead of the claimed drive by this teen was actually only shot accidentally. https://www.cbs17.com/news/local-news/johnston-county-news/teen-and-friend-handling-a-firearm-led-to-boys-shooting-not-a-drive-by-benson-officials-say/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,380 #406 February 17, 2020 On 2/15/2020 at 3:45 PM, gowlerk said: Seven YO shoots 11 YO, but it happened in Chicago so does anyone care? https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2020/2/14/21138628/11-year-old-boy-shot-by-7-year-old-sister-lawndale "It must have been a gang shooting, so can't happen to me or my kids." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,903 #407 February 17, 2020 This one just seems to happen over and over again. Man cleaning gun shoots and kills friend. This time in a trailer park in OK. https://www.koco.com/article/person-dies-after-accidental-shooting-in-midwest-city-police-say/30956002 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,046 #408 February 17, 2020 37 minutes ago, gowlerk said: a trailer park in OK. Hi Ken, That says it all. Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 620 #409 February 17, 2020 18 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said: Hi Ken, That says it all. Jerry Baumchen Hey Jerry, The previous one in Benson, N.C was in front of the entrance to a trailer park as well. Tornado magnet is another trait they seem to have. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #410 February 18, 2020 4 hours ago, normiss said: Hey Jerry, The previous one in Benson, N.C was in front of the entrance to a trailer park as well. Tornado magnet is another trait they seem to have. Wow - your guys' sense of superiority is amazing!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
millertime24 8 #411 February 18, 2020 On 2/11/2020 at 5:59 PM, headoverheels said: To get us back on topic: https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/11/us/teenager-bb-gun-death-trnd/index.html I think you and the word "firearm" need to spend some quality time together. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,380 #412 February 18, 2020 3 hours ago, turtlespeed said: Wow - your guys' sense of superiority is amazing!! Well, he is superior to that guys friend, by definition. He is, after all, still alive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 620 #413 February 18, 2020 3 hours ago, turtlespeed said: Wow - your guys' sense of superiority is amazing!! Superiority? How so? I lived in trailers as a kid, the attraction of violence, sexual abuse, gunfire, and tornadoes is quite real. I just thought we were poor rednecks. Pretty much the main reasons I left that environment for an education and safety. Mock all you want, it was real enough for me. You must clearly be superior to that environment to not realize it and dismiss us as righteous. I felt it a success to break that pattern in my family. Very few have. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 143 #414 February 21, 2020 On 2/11/2020 at 4:44 AM, JerryBaumchen said: Hi Bill, Nine years ago, there was a shooting at the Clackamas Town Center here in Oregon. A young guy with an AR-15. A guy with a concealed firearm ( legal carry permit ) cowered behind a column and did not fire a shot. He later said that he did not fire out of his fear of hitting innocent bystanders. I think he simply sh** his pants and was too scared to do anything but hide. Jerry Baumchen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clackamas_Town_Center_shooting My first boss told the story of his first gun battle. Rhodesia and during the war it was compulsory call up. So he would have been late teens at the time. They were ambushed and he ran and hid behind a tree about an inch in diameter, and that was with training and being armed. On a similar note though and somewhat funny, our family dog was a Doberman that used to travel with my dad. On a few occasions he was ambushed and Lisa (dog) would jump out and attack the terrorists. Many simply dropped their guns and ran out of fear, although she did eventually get shot in the leg. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #415 February 21, 2020 2 hours ago, nigel99 said: My first boss told the story of his first gun battle. Rhodesia and during the war it was compulsory call up. So he would have been late teens at the time. They were ambushed and he ran and hid behind a tree about an inch in diameter, and that was with training and being armed. On a similar note though and somewhat funny, our family dog was a Doberman that used to travel with my dad. On a few occasions he was ambushed and Lisa (dog) would jump out and attack the terrorists. Many simply dropped their guns and ran out of fear, although she did eventually get shot in the leg. Ugh - I would much rather you had stopped at ". . .ran out of fear," I have a huge soft spot for animals. I'd rather hear of humans being shot than the dog. It's probably wrong to feel that way - but it's true. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,903 #416 February 23, 2020 And...of course there is always the never ending supply of "Florida man" incidents... https://www.local10.com/news/florida/2020/02/21/florida-man-waiting-for-haircut-fatally-shot-himself-while-playing-with-gun/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #417 February 24, 2020 23 hours ago, gowlerk said: And...of course there is always the never ending supply of "Florida man" incidents... https://www.local10.com/news/florida/2020/02/21/florida-man-waiting-for-haircut-fatally-shot-himself-while-playing-with-gun/ That seems like a self correcting problem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 189 #418 February 25, 2020 (edited) On 2/17/2020 at 10:38 PM, normiss said: I felt it a success to break that pattern in my family. Very few have. Ya, while poor blacks are corralled into inner city pens, poor whites are corralled into trailer parks in the suburbs where they at least get access to finer schools. Hopefully Bloomberg is serious about making amends and actually doing something for the black community. But I think it's all the same democrat bullshit - fool me once and all that jazz. . . Edited February 25, 2020 by Coreece Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 620 #419 February 25, 2020 22 minutes ago, Coreece said: Ya, while poor blacks are corralled into inner city pens, poor whites are corralled into trailer parks in the suburbs where they at least get access to finer schools. Hopefully Bloomberg is serious about making amends and actually doing something for the black community. But I think it's all the same democrat bullshit - fool me once and all that jazz. . . 6th through 10th grade were in schools with poor blacks and poor whites. Prior to that was military base, after was Illinois farming areas with no blacks and a LOT of racism. 6th - 10th took zero effort to get straight A's, 10th on took minimal effort. Outside of the added racism I never really saw any quality of public school after the 6th grade, there was zero challenge. Thankfully I aced my ASVAB tests and left that nonsense behind for what turned out to be MIT led and created computer education in the Navy. But I was just lucky on timing. Very few places were teaching mainframe computing engineering. I do realize inner city poverty traps exist, but they aren't limited to one minority. Taking an entitled white dismissive attitude doesn't serve them well either. We can, and should, do more as a society to try and see that everyone succeeds. Equal treatment for all. Improving everyone's chances at a better life improves everyone's chances at a better life. It's what a great society should do. Though, again, I'm most likely expecting too much. Which is why I keep pushing myself. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 189 #420 February 25, 2020 59 minutes ago, normiss said: Taking an entitled white dismissive attitude doesn't serve them well either. Neither do the Dems. Maybe if they just all talk for another 50 years something will happen. . . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 620 #421 February 25, 2020 10 minutes ago, Coreece said: Neither do the Dems. Maybe if they just all talk for another 50 years something will happen. . . Or the continued dismissal of all efforts, like you seem to prefer, will serve the same result. Doing nothing does exactly that. Keep up the hatred, it does at least provide results. Not any sort of positive ones though. Thanks for successfully drawing me into wasting time and efforts again. Someday I'll learn as I always do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 189 #422 February 25, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, normiss said: 20 minutes ago, Coreece said: Neither do the Dems. Maybe if they just all talk for another 50 years something will happen. . . Or the continued dismissal of all efforts, like you seem to prefer, will serve the same result. Doing nothing does exactly that. Keep up the hatred, it does at least provide results. Not any sort of positive ones though. Dude seriously, what in the actual fuck are you talking about? You smoking again? 7 minutes ago, normiss said: Thanks for successfully drawing me into wasting time and efforts again. Someday I'll learn as I always do. I mean wtf do you want me to discuss, your straight A's in 6th grade? Good for you! As you say - Jebus fucking christ. . .get over yourself. Edited February 25, 2020 by Coreece Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,116 #423 February 25, 2020 I think the issue is if you wait until you have the perfect solution before doing anything, then nothing ever gets done. Because even if there were a perfect solution on Tuesday, things would have changed enough by Wednesday to make it obsolete. Just look at any technical project over the last 50 years. Anyone who put a stick in the sand on technology was out of date within months; but always shifting to the latest is a never-ending cost sink, and then the cost sink runneth over. Doesn’t mean do any half-assed thing, just define and limit the scope, and accept less than perfection. Remember that the project is to be implemented with the resources and personnel you actually have, not the ones you wish you had. Any decent project manager would help. Wendy P. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #424 February 25, 2020 7 hours ago, Coreece said: Dude seriously, what in the actual fuck are you talking about? You smoking again? I mean wtf do you want me to discuss, your straight A's in 6th grade? Good for you! As you say - Jebus fucking christ. . .get over yourself. There is some serious anger in there . . . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #425 February 25, 2020 6 hours ago, wmw999 said: I think the issue is if you wait until you have the perfect solution before doing anything, then nothing ever gets done. Because even if there were a perfect solution on Tuesday, things would have changed enough by Wednesday to make it obsolete. Just look at any technical project over the last 50 years. Anyone who put a stick in the sand on technology was out of date within months; but always shifting to the latest is a never-ending cost sink, and then the cost sink runneth over. Doesn’t mean do any half-assed thing, just define and limit the scope, and accept less than perfection. Remember that the project is to be implemented with the resources and personnel you actually have, not the ones you wish you had. Any decent project manager would help. Wendy P. EXCEPT . . . Computers are logical and linear. People will deliberately undermine your efforts. Not only will they undermine your efforts, but a lot of times, they will do whatever is the most counter productive, and destructive action, just to sabotage their own life, and those around them. It is a confidence thing, from what I was taught. They would rather live in squalor than take a chance on change. NO project manager can oversee a project that has that many anti-progress variables in it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
