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brenthutch

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Damn the Flack,its all over them like a swarm of 88mm bees,never though at that altitude,it could be so damn precise or effective.Damn,more respect.

24 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

I take no offense, far from it. I do not argue there is an equivalency, it was simply a clumsy use of a current term.

Clumsy,? naw, Thought provoking 

 

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On 10/8/2019 at 12:31 PM, brenthutch said:

A simple google search reveals: "Dr. Jonathan Lesser is the President of Continental Economics, Inc., and has over 30 years of experience working for regulated utilities, government, and as an economic consultant."
 

 

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On 10/9/2019 at 8:07 AM, billvon said:

Your choice.  Also another good example of how in the future we will use more energy but have to buy less of it.

My choice,OK?  but at least we agree we'll use more energy in the future.

On 10/9/2019 at 8:07 AM, billvon said:

OK.  So you hate Hollywood.  Not sure what that has to do with anything, other than maybe you think that since I live closer to Hollywood

Please don't put the word Hate, in my mouth,tastes bitter.

I just think...Wait How ironic LMFAO

Micheal Moore the other,over weight, rich, Hypocrite.Was touting the vertue of the Workers Paradise not to many years ago, you know when they had lots of cheap oil .Lovely Venezuela

The only {Dark} Bright side,they dont have a rat,cat,stray dog problem of LA.

Bad side {really Dark} we all know why.

"other than maybe you think that since I live closer to Hollywood" 

Bill I dont think so, aren't you in SD? Hollywood is 20-30 min. away from me.

Hey,when we do ever meet lets agree, conversation of Skydiving and Aviation only.

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7 hours ago, richravizza said:

My choice,OK?  but at least we agree we'll use more energy in the future.

We will use more energy.  We will purchase less of it, and it will cost us less.  Two examples there are LED light bulbs and EV's.

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"other than maybe you think that since I live closer to Hollywood" 

Bill I dont think so, aren't you in SD? Hollywood is 20-30 min. away from me.

 

Ah!  So you are one of those Hollywood hypocrites!  (just kidding)

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Another example of how the GND is a fantasy, especially for you climate warriors in California, good luck with your blackouts. 

"The world’s developing nations, led by China (which for some incomprehensible reason Democrats claim is California’s partner in “fighting climate change” even though it will increase CO2 emissions by over 4,700 million metric tons by 2030 from year 2004 levels) and India, are forecast by EIA to be increasing their CO2 emissions between 2004 and 2030 by over 11,300 million metric tons.

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Furthermore these nations are forecast by EIA to add an additional 6,300 million metric tons of CO2 emissions to their year 2030 total levels by year 2050.

This EIA global emissions data showing the world’s developing nations increasing CO2 emissions by more than 60 times California’s tiny emissions decrease by 2030 overwhelming invalidates any credibility being attached to the states bogus and political backroom derived “fighting climate change” chicanery.

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The world’s developing nations, led by China (which for some incomprehensible reason Democrats claim is California’s partner in “fighting climate change” even though it will increase CO2 emissions by over 4,700 million metric tons by 2030 from year 2004 levels) and India, are forecast by EIA to be increasing their CO2 emissions between 2004 and 2030 by over 11,300 million metric tons.

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Furthermore these nations are forecast by EIA to add an additional 6,300 million metric tons of CO2 emissions to their year 2030 total levels by year 2050.

This EIA global emissions data showing the world’s developing nations increasing CO2 emissions by more than 60 times California’s tiny emissions decrease by 2030 overwhelming invalidates any credibility being attached to the states bogus and political backroom derived “fighting climate change” chicanery."

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1 hour ago, brenthutch said:

Now, in fairness you did need to go to a school for marketing on the other side of the world to score a point but, hey, you need to start somewhere. And who knows, maybe that Chinese far side of the moon lander will find you another? You are on a roll, I'd have to agree.

Sadly, there is this in the paper: PS Our best course of action is to adapt to the effects and to invest in R&D to develop new low carbon energy. But it's only one sentence and just a PS so nothing there.

On another note, back in the day when I was working with the bird and bunny people to save the forests I met some real doozies. True believers who truly believed whatever was believed truly by whomever was truly persuasive that day. As the years passed by I noticed they didn't change much. They were always looking for something to believe in. Professor Sharp's story fits the mold.

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2 hours ago, brenthutch said:

Morning,

Since the fire that was set Last Night by our electric company, is ablaze.My shop and freeway closed.We can both watch how the corrupt Electric companies and media will tout AGW.  Enjoy the Show!!!!

Ranger Rob is the best,his predictions were correct by mere Hours!! From my shop the super scoopers are fling sorties over head to Lake Castaic.

Saddle Back is on the other side of Placerita Nature Center one of the two Parks I hike. What a crying shame. Only one PG&E truck has been shot at so far,driver's ok.

Someone needs to call CNN and tell them My shop is closed because the electric companies started another Fire,

What a bunch of in incompetent..I'll stop there.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/11/us/california-fires-friday/index.html

 

 

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29 minutes ago, richravizza said:

Someone needs to call CNN and tell them My shop is closed because the electric companies started another Fire,

Perhaps there will be a bunch of new lawsuits.  Then they will leave the power off all summer to make 100% sure there are no fires.  Better safe than sorry.

 

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2 minutes ago, billvon said:

Perhaps there will be a bunch of new lawsuits.  Then they will leave the power off all summer to make 100% sure there are no fires.  Better safe than sorry.

 

How very Atlas Shrugged of them.

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4 minutes ago, billvon said:

Perhaps there will be a bunch of new lawsuits.  Then they will leave the power off all summer to make 100% sure there are no fires.  Better safe than sorry.

 

Ya that's the ticket.. Burden the rate payer some more,then Leave the power off ? is that the plan..  WTF

So it is Full STUPID like Germany.

The entire system has been neglected for Decades to the benefit of the Executives, Workers and Politicians, all at the expense of the Rate Payers.After the Camp fire its business as usual,But you can't see that. 

19 minutes ago, DJL said:

How very Atlas Shrugged of them.

Naw, they'll just shut off the power.More like Anthem.

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1 hour ago, richravizza said:

Ya that's the ticket.. Burden the rate payer some more,then Leave the power off ? is that the plan..  WTF

Aren't utilities owned by private companies the best!!!! Fuck those damn commies with their public utilities. Capitalism fuck yeah!

 

With that out of the way. PG&E as a private companies is acting exactly how you would want it to. It is protecting itself against large liability. They got sued into bankruptcy before, this is the normal outcome of that. On the bright side, no regulation to stop them, cause we all no regulations are bad. And, your utility is privately owned and we all know that is a good thing.

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4 hours ago, richravizza said:

Ya that's the ticket.. Burden the rate payer some more,then Leave the power off ? is that the plan..  WTF

That will be the result, yes.  That's reality.

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The entire system has been neglected for Decades to the benefit of the Executives, Workers and Politicians, all at the expense of the Rate Payers.After the Camp fire its business as usual,But you can't see that. 

?? Of course it's been neglected in the name of profit.  That's why we are seeing all these problems.  So the solution they will see is to concentrate on their high-return accounts (i.e. inner city) and abandon the outlying high-risk areas.  It's the best way to return to short term profitability and get out of bankruptcy.

What, you say?  You want power for everyone, implemented in a forward-looking responsible manner, rather than just short term profit grabs?  You want the PEOPLE to have a say?  You socialist you!

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Naw, they'll just shut off the power.  More like Anthem.

Sort of.  More like Atlas Shrugged than Anthem.  And perhaps the future is a set of small, distributed private generators running microgrids, like Hank Reardon's "atmospheric electricity" generator, described in Atlas Shrugged as the solution to the energy needs of Galt's Gulch.  (Wind turbines, anyone?)

 

 

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9 hours ago, billvon said:

I pay about $80 a year for gas.  How about you?

I haven't experienced a blackout in eight years.  How about you?

The exception...not the rule.  I read this week that only 1% of the solar customers have batteries.  So they found out the hard way that solar doesn't work for them when the power is off.

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2 hours ago, airdvr said:

The exception...not the rule.

Nope, the rule.  Down here in San Diego, SDG+E supplies power to 3.6 million people.  11,000 lost power for about six hours.  99.7% had no problems.

PG+E was much harder hit by winds, and had to shut down power to about 2.7 million people.  83% were not affected.

So people keeping their lights on was the rule, not the exception.

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  I read this week that only 1% of the solar customers have batteries.  So they found out the hard way that solar doesn't work for them when the power is off.

You don't need batteries to get solar to work when the grid isn't working.  In many cases, you just need to connect the backup output of the inverter.  $20 of parts at Home Depot.  Up until now almost no one has done this because they haven't needed to.

http://files.sma.de/dl/18726/EPS-US-TB-en-11.pdf

 

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19 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

Aren't utilities owned by private companies the best!!!! Fuck those damn commies with their public utilities. Capitalism fuck yeah!

If you would,

Please digest the other side of your statements.I knew we wouldn't agree on much...

16 hours ago, billvon said:

ort of.  More like Atlas Shrugged than Anthem.  And perhaps the future is a set of small, distributed private generators running microgrids, like Hank Reardon's "atmospheric electricity" generator, described in Atlas Shrugged as the solution to the energy needs of Galt's Gulch.  (Wind turbines, anyone?)

Day two,no customers,no pay but       I still got my Shop

The air reminds me of the 70'S

 

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18 hours ago, billvon said:

Sort of.  More like Atlas Shrugged than Anthem.  And perhaps the future is a set of small, distributed private generators running microgrids, like Hank Reardon's "atmospheric electricity" generator, described in Atlas Shrugged as the solution to the energy needs of Galt's Gulch.  (Wind turbines, anyone?)

 

 

4 hours ago, billvon said:

 

You don't need batteries to get solar to work when the grid isn't working.  In many cases, you just need to connect the backup output of the inverter.  $20 of parts at Home Depot.  Up until now almost no one has done this because they haven't needed to.

http://files.sma.de/dl/18726/EPS-US-TB-en-11.pdf

 

Step 1.In order to use the inverter in Secure power operation, there must be sufficient solar irradiation.

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3 minutes ago, richravizza said:

 

Step 1.In order to use the inverter in Secure power operation, there must be sufficient solar irradiation.

Yep.  Without batteries it only works during the day - which is when people tend to need power the most.  But if you have an EV that means you can charge during the day.  And if you don't have an EV, get a $99 UPS from Best Buy and you have power all night.

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22 hours ago, billvon said:

I pay about $80 a year for gas.  How about you?

I haven't experienced a blackout in eight years.  How about you?

I don’t pay much for gas as I only drive downtown and to the DZ <10,000 per year.  Never had a blackout, wildfire nor $5 gas.  I don’t have homeless people shooting heroine or pooping in the streets.  I am ten miles from my DZ, two miles from skiing and world class mountain biking. Three miles from top shelf collegiate sports and concerts.  I can even have a fire pit in my backyard, while paying a fraction of the taxes you are burdened with.

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8 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

I don’t pay much for gas as I only drive downtown and to the DZ <10,000 per year.  Never had a blackout, wildfire nor $5 gas.  I don’t have homeless people shooting heroine or pooping in the streets.  I am ten miles from my DZ, two miles from skiing and world class mountain biking. Three miles from top shelf collegiate sports and concerts.  I can even have a fire pit in my backyard, while paying a fraction of the taxes you are burdened with.

So sounds like I pay a lot less than you.  And I don't have homeless people shooting heroines (or heroin) in the streets.  Or even pooping.  And I am 10 minutes from surfing and 90 minutes from skiing - and I can do them both on the same day.  Oh, and I live on top of a canyon that's got some great singletrack.

However, I fully support your right to pay whatever your utility (and your gas station) want to charge you.  You go!

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