Green new deal equals magical thinking

[billvon 2,396]

On 4/8/2019 at 4:04 AM, brenthutch said:

Fastest car on the road?  LOL!  Let me ask you a question.  In a race from Los Angles to Los Vegas, what will win; high speed rail, the Tesla tube, the Tesla S or my Honda Accord coupe? 

Update - as of today the fastest car on that route would be the Tesla Model S.  A new release gets range up to 370 miles.

[billvon 2,396]

16 hours ago, brenthutch said:

Anyway you want to slice it . . .

I accept your backpedal.

[brenthutch 383]

5 hours ago, billvon said:

Update - as of today the fastest car on that route would be the Tesla Model S.  A new release gets range up to 370 miles.

Congratulations, your brand new $90,000 car is able to eke out a road trip race win over my tired, old $10,000 Honda.

Unless it blows up of course.

[normiss 622]

Well, there went the original game goal posts.

 

[billvon 2,396]

1 minute ago, normiss said:

Well, there went the original game goal posts.

Well, move em enough and your ball will sail right on through them.  

[brenthutch 383]

Too funny.  Tell me again just who moved the goalposts?  Let me remind you that the original parameter was old Tesla vs older Honda.  Yes the goalposts were moved but in your favor.  That’s ok though.  You desperately need a win and I will graciously accommodate.  Again congratulations!

Edited April 25, 2019 by brenthutch

[brenthutch 383]

On 4/22/2019 at 10:34 PM, billvon said:

Do you think the supply is infinite?

We are going to run out of cheap oil.  That's a fact.  The only question is when.

Like a doctor who tells you that you have to quit smoking or you are likely to develop lung cancer, he will be wrong for a long time.  Until he isn't.

It's more like the doctor who told my 89 year old dad that his carcinoma would likely kill him in fifteen years if it were not aggressively/expensively treated right now.

[billvon 2,396]

2 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

It's more like the doctor who told my 89 year old dad that his carcinoma would likely kill him in fifteen years if it were not aggressively/expensively treated right now.

So what's the best reaction to that?

"I don't know if that's in his best interest.  Let's compare his quality of life over the rest of his expected life in both cases."

"It's all lies!   There's no consensus. There's no such thing as cancer.  And even if there was, smoking has nothing to do with it.  Besides, all cancer is good."

[brenthutch 383]

Now you're getting it.

Plan A:   Let's take a sober look at the impact of elevated CO2, let's examine the positives and negatives.  Let's assess the cost/benefit of actions as well as inaction, then make some rational choices.

Plan B:  Oh my God!  We are destroying the planet!  We must take drastic action to avoid disaster!  We are running out of resources!  We only have until 1995....2000....2004.....2010...2013.....2015 until it is too late.  Wet the bed while hair is on fire.

I chose plan A.

 

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Edited April 25, 2019 by brenthutch

[billvon 2,396]

1 hour ago, brenthutch said:

Now you're getting it.

Plan A:   Let's take a sober look at the impact of elevated CO2, let's examine the positives and negatives.  Let's assess the cost/benefit of actions as well as inaction, then make some rational choices.

Which is what I have been proposing from day 1.

[DJL 232]

15 hours ago, brenthutch said:

Congratulations, your brand new $90,000 car is able to eke out a road trip race win over my tired, old $10,000 Honda.

Unless it blows up of course.

Psssst....throw a Lambo into the hypothetical race, that'll shut his libtard ass up.  We also need to move the goalposts to not obey the speed limit since the Model S wins off the line and the Lambo doesn't catch up until you hit the Model S 155mph top speed.

Anyway, I think we can summarize that just about any old ICE car beats an old EV and even most new EVs but the top end EV wins a hypothetically constructed scenario in which you have to obey the speed limit and the EV can get ahead on the start from one stop light to the next enough to make up for the difference in time to refuel.  So BAM!  CASE CLOSED!

[brenthutch 383]

https://www.theonion.com/the-time-to-act-is-now-says-yellowing-climate-change-1819578751?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=SF&utm_content=Main

Talk about good timing, this just popped up on my FB feed.

Edited April 26, 2019 by brenthutch

[Stumpy 256]

8 hours ago, brenthutch said:

https://www.theonion.com/the-time-to-act-is-now-says-yellowing-climate-change-1819578751?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=SF&utm_content=Main

Talk about good timing, this just popped up on my FB feed.

So.... you have been made a fool of with your standard arguments so you are going with the onion now?

 

Interesting tactic.

[brenthutch 383]

1 hour ago, Stumpy said:

So.... you have been made a fool of with your standard arguments so you are going with the onion now?

 

Interesting tactic.

It’s not my argument brother, it’s yours!  It’s the same claptrap that you guys have been peddling for more than a quarter century.  AGW disaster porn is so ridiculous that even The Onion is making fun of it.

[DJL 232]

8 hours ago, brenthutch said:

It’s not my argument brother, it’s yours!  It’s the same claptrap that you guys have been peddling for more than a quarter century.  AGW disaster porn is so ridiculous that even The Onion is making fun of it.

I agree it's funny that the Onion doesn't even need to make it up anymore, they can just publish the straight news that what we knew in 1994 is still being ignored.

Also on par with our recent conversations:

Tesla Posts Massive First Quarter Loss After Self-Driving Car Absconds With $702 Million in Cash

https://www.theonion.com/tesla-posts-massive-first-quarter-loss-after-self-drivi-1834310890

Don't see a '96 Honda stealing from mankind, do you?

Edited April 26, 2019 by DJL

[brenthutch 383]

Let this marinate a bit more. Dateline Berkeley CA 1994

BERKELEY, CA—Warning society that it has reached a crucial tipping point from which it may never be able to recover, a brittle, yellowing report sitting in the archives of the University of California’s Bioscience & Natural Resources Library reportedly urged readers Friday that “the time to act against climate change is right now.” “Any further delay in ending the international community’s reliance on fossil fuels and reversing global carbon emission trends places the planet on an irreversible path toward climate catastrophe,” read the faded text of the document, whose musty, degrading pages further cautioned that, without “an immediate and concerted worldwide response,” polar ice caps will melt at an accelerating rate and extreme weather events will grow more frequent and destructive. “This is the most pressing issue facing humanity today. We must act against rising global temperatures with exceptional speed and commitment, as the future of the human race depends on swift and decisive action.” The report, which was beginning to wither and curl at the edges, concluded with a degree of optimism, emphasizing that as long as humanity recognizes the grave dangers it faces and commits itself fully to taking immediate corrective measures, there remains just enough time to avoid a cataclysmic mass extinction event.

 

Question, do you guys lack the gene which enables you to detect irony?

Edited April 28, 2019 by brenthutch

[turtlespeed 212]

On 4/27/2019 at 7:21 PM, brenthutch said:

 

Question, do you guys lack the gene which enables you to detect irony?

By - "You Guys" I think you mean the Usual Left Suspects?

I got it - But to be honest I'm a little dissapointed . . . 

I'm still waiting to see this cataclysmic extinction event. 

Sounds fun.

[BIGUN 1,053]

On 4/24/2019 at 10:01 PM, billvon said:

Which is what I have been proposing from day 1.

For at least 12 years that I know of.

[brenthutch 383]

I joined the forum in 2003 so it has been at least sixteen years. And yes Turtle I am referring to the usual suspects.  I wonder, if the professor still lives in the Chicago area, what he thinks of the record breaking snowfall they experienced this past weekend.  If so how he can reconcile that with the prediction that "snow will be a rare and exciting event"?

[turtlespeed 212]

9 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

I joined the forum in 2003 so it has been at least sixteen years. And yes Turtle I am referring to the usual suspects.  I wonder, if the professor still lives in the Chicago area, what he thinks of the record breaking snowfall they experienced this past weekend.  If so how he can reconcile that with the prediction that "snow will be a rare and exciting event"?

To be fair - it was claimed as South Chicago.

[gowlerk 1,911]

51 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

I joined the forum in 2003 so it has been at least sixteen years. And yes Turtle I am referring to the usual suspects.  I wonder, if the professor still lives in the Chicago area, what he thinks of the record breaking snowfall they experienced this past weekend.  If so how he can reconcile that with the prediction that "snow will be a rare and exciting event"?

I can't speak for kallend, but I do want to point out that for deniers a heat wave or extreme storm is simply a normal weather event. But a cold event is some kind of proof that the climate is not warming. Silly deniers.

[DJL 232]

1 hour ago, gowlerk said:

I can't speak for kallend, but I do want to point out that for deniers a heat wave or extreme storm is simply a normal weather event. But a cold event is some kind of proof that the climate is not warming. Silly deniers.

Dude.  You're imposing on their circle jerk.

[kallend 1,623]

On 4/29/2019 at 7:58 PM, brenthutch said:

I joined the forum in 2003 so it has been at least sixteen years. And yes Turtle I am referring to the usual suspects.  I wonder, if the professor still lives in the Chicago area, what he thinks of the record breaking snowfall they experienced this past weekend.  If so how he can reconcile that with the prediction that "snow will be a rare and exciting event"?

And once again we have the inability or unwillingness to tell the difference between weather and climate.

When you have to mislead or resort to falsehoods to make your point, you really don't have a point.

[kallend 1,623]

On 4/29/2019 at 8:08 PM, turtlespeed said:

To be fair - it was claimed as South Chicago.

I never made such a claim.

A little fact checking goes a long way.  There is a search function in the forums.

[brenthutch 383]

March 20, 2000

According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia ,within a few years winter snowfall will become “a very rare and exciting event”. “Children just aren’t going to know what snow is,” he said.

Who's the denier now?