JoeWeber 2,298 #1701 September 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, gowlerk said: New stock reply? That's what I'm thinking. After all, recycling will save the world, right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,048 #1702 September 19, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, brenthutch said: a mentality ill teenager. Hi Brent, I did not always agree with my mother, but I did not disparage her. A new low for you. Jerry Baumchen Edited September 19, 2019 by JerryBaumchen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,048 #1703 September 19, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, brenthutch said: Sorry, double post. Jerry Baumchen Edited September 19, 2019 by JerryBaumchen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lippy 771 #1704 September 19, 2019 54 minutes ago, brenthutch said: Just got done listening to a congressional panel on climate change headlined by a mentality ill teenager. Way to go democrats, good on you. If you've got to resort to bashing a kid who's done as much as Greta Thunberg has so far in her short life, just for her being on the spectrum, your argument is damn weak. Just want to point out that you're reaching a new low in your arguments here and it's pretty fucking low.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 197 #1705 September 19, 2019 17 hours ago, Bigfalls said: In regard to CO2 out put and atmospheric levels, a number of years ago the government put the ethanol program into effect to reduce our dependence on foreign oil. When you grow corn, you have to plow, plant, fertilize, harvest, haul and dry the corn which all use petroleum. Once at the ethanol plant, the corn has to be processed for fermentation which uses energy. The ethanol then has to be transported to the terminals and mixed with the gasoline, more petroleum used. When the process is completed, it takes more BTU's to produce a gallon of ethanol than the BTU's in the ethanol. When added to the gasoline, the mileage on the vehicle decreases. The byproducts of fermentation are alcohol and CO2, what happens to all the CO2 that these ethanol plants produce? Is it going into the atmosphere or is it recovered. Also the CO2 released during net loss of energy from producing ethanol. Aren't we the largest producers of oil in the world, hasn't our dependence been reduced (probably not by ethanol). I guess if the first presidential primary wasn't in Iowa where they grow corn, things may be different. Tell me how batteries are made. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #1706 September 19, 2019 8 hours ago, lippy said: If you've got to resort to bashing a kid who's done as much as Greta Thunberg has so far in her short life, just for her being on the spectrum, your argument is damn weak. Just want to point out that you're reaching a new low in your arguments here and it's pretty fucking low.... The new low is the press and politicians who see a bright shiny object, (Greta) and exalt her as the next great thing. How long do you think it will take the press and politicians to find the next bright shiny object. She has said that her position as a climate activist has given her purpose in her life. What do you think it is going to do to her when the klieg lights no longer shine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #1707 September 19, 2019 Back on topic "Kuwar Singh Quartz September 18, 2019 Indian power plants’ appetite for imported coal is on the rise again. The country’s electricity generating firms are expected to import up to 74 million tonnes of the fossil fuel in the current financial year ending March 2020, according to India Ratings and Research. The Mumbai-based ratings firm released its mid-year power outlook yesterday (Sept. 17). Coal imports to produce electricity have already risen by five million tonnes year-on-year in the April-July period, at the end of which they stood at a total 23 million tonnes. In the rest of the fiscal year, they are expected to increase by another 10-12 million tonnes over their previous levels, said Vivek Jain, director at India Ratings. This would result in an annual growth of over 19%, the highest in at least five years." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #1708 September 19, 2019 13 hours ago, brenthutch said: That is the whole point! There was no government program dictating how a car should be laid out, the market took care of that. The government supported an "expert" to build the first powered aircraft, he failed. Who succeeded? A couple of bicycle mechanics from Ohio. Let the entrepreneurs try. Some will fail others will succeed, the market will determine that, NOT THE GOVERNMENT. The government told us that smoking was fine, it even supplied cigarettes in K-Rations to our soldiers. The government has a HORRIBILE track record picking winners and losers . Trust the collective force of each individual deciding what is best for them, chart the way. There are many many many many government programs dictating how a car should be laid out concerning safety and emission issues. If your angle is invention then your example is pretty bad because it was that government funding of Langley's aircraft that created what became the blueprint for aircraft engines: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manly–Balzer_engine The "entrepreneurs" were also after government money and they were one success out of way more failures. So, if we're talking about track records, the government funded one project and it revolutionized aircraft engines with one failed aircraft, the free market developed one aircraft without a good engine but behind that were countless failures. Who has the better track record? We have the best military in the world with the best hardware all from the government picking winners. To take this back to renewables, the failure rate of programs supported by the government in the form of tax breaks or loans is well below that of the free market. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #1709 September 19, 2019 11 hours ago, brenthutch said: Just got done listening to a congressional panel on climate change headlined by a mentality ill teenager. Way to go democrats, good on you. What's up with people making fun of this girl? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #1710 September 19, 2019 53 minutes ago, brenthutch said: Back on topic "Kuwar Singh Quartz September 18, 2019 Indian power plants’ appetite for imported coal is on the rise again. The country’s electricity generating firms are expected to import up to 74 million tonnes of the fossil fuel in the current financial year ending March 2020, according to India Ratings and Research. The Mumbai-based ratings firm released its mid-year power outlook yesterday (Sept. 17). Coal imports to produce electricity have already risen by five million tonnes year-on-year in the April-July period, at the end of which they stood at a total 23 million tonnes. In the rest of the fiscal year, they are expected to increase by another 10-12 million tonnes over their previous levels, said Vivek Jain, director at India Ratings. This would result in an annual growth of over 19%, the highest in at least five years." Another example of how our decision to stay out of the Paris accord lessens it's strength towards diplomacy internationally. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #1711 September 19, 2019 14 hours ago, ryoder said: Like this? https://www.harley-davidson.com/us/en/motorcycles/livewire.html Now lets see those libtards force the Hell's Angels to ride these! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #1712 September 19, 2019 49 minutes ago, DJL said: What's up with people making fun of this girl? No one is making fun of the girl. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #1713 September 19, 2019 26 minutes ago, brenthutch said: No one is making fun of the girl. So you're not describing her as being mentally ill? Oh, I get it, you're technically right and there's no insult intended? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,910 #1714 September 19, 2019 26 minutes ago, brenthutch said: No one is making fun of the girl. And from earlier: Just got done listening to a congressional panel on climate change headlined by a mentality ill teenager. I agree, you are not making fun of her. You are insulting her, denigrating her, and attempting to minimize her by implying that her points are not valid without addressing her substance in any way. It does not look good on you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #1715 September 19, 2019 42 minutes ago, gowlerk said: And from earlier: Just got done listening to a congressional panel on climate change headlined by a mentality ill teenager. I agree, you are not making fun of her. You are insulting her, denigrating her, and attempting to minimize her by implying that her points are not valid without addressing her substance in any way. It does not look good on you. Her own mother says she is mentality ill. I feel sorry for her, a troubled girl with autism gets plucked from obscurity and made the face of climate change. How do you think she will feel when her pleas for action go unanswered and the press stops fawning over her. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #1716 September 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, brenthutch said: Her own mother says she is mentality ill. I feel sorry for her, a troubled girl with autism gets plucked from obscurity and made the face of climate change. How do you think she will feel when her pleas for action go unanswered and the press stops fawning over her. She has OCD, ADHD, and Asbergers. Years ago (age 10 or 11) this undiagnosed condition led to depression and eating issues. The effect now (age 16) appears to be that she doesn't know she's not supposed to speak publicly about what she understands and it's entertaining to see people so afraid of a 16-year-old who travels by sailboat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,298 #1717 September 19, 2019 1 minute ago, brenthutch said: Her own mother says she is mentality ill. I feel sorry for her, a troubled girl with autism gets plucked from obscurity and made the face of climate change. How do you think she will feel when her pleas for action go unanswered and the press stops fawning over her. Um, good about herself? Maybe she'll believe she's as good and capable as anyone else. Maybe her whole life will have a meaningful purpose or maybe she'll just get a job or admission that would otherwise never have happened. Maybe she'll feel so fulfilled she won't feel a need to find an online forum where she can beat the same damn drum every day. I am curious about one thing, are there any Swedes here who can tell us if a mother saying her daughter is mentally ill has a different connotation or social meaning than in the US? Is there a translation issue perhaps? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #1718 September 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, JoeWeber said: I am curious about one thing, are there any Swedes here who can tell us if a mother saying her daughter is mentally ill has a different connotation or social meaning than in the US? Is there a translation issue perhaps? I can't find what he's talking about. He's making is sound like her mother is out there trying to warn the world that her daughter is a troubled psychopath. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #1719 September 19, 2019 Yesterday it was the polar bears, today it is Greta. I wonder what will tomorrow bring? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,910 #1720 September 19, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, DJL said: I can't find what he's talking about. He's making is sound like her mother is out there trying to warn the world that her daughter is a troubled psychopath. From her Wiki page: Ad hominem attacks By August 2019, Scientific American was reporting that Thunberg's detractors have "launched personal attacks", "bash (her) autism", and "increasingly rely on ad hominem attacks to blunt her influence."[82] Swedish opinion writer Paulina Neuding [sv] invoked mental health issues to question the idea that Thunberg should be leading climate change activism.[83] Writing in The Guardian, Aditya Chakrabortty said that columnists including Brendan O'Neill, Toby Young, the blog Guido Fawkes, as well as Helen Dale and Rod Liddle at The Spectator and The Sunday Times had been making "ugly personal attacks" on Thunberg.[84] As part of its climate change denial, Germany's Alternative for Germany party has attacked Thunberg "in fairly vicious ways", according to Jakob Guhl, a researcher for the Institute for Strategic Dialogue.[85] Thunberg has also been criticised by the Australian climate-change denier Andrew Bolt[86] after Thunberg announced she would travel to the United States in a carbon-zero yacht. Bolt said she had a cult following, calling her "freakishly influential"[87] for a "girl so young and with so many mental disorders".[88] Former UKIP funder Arron Banks[89] was criticised for joking on Twitter about the potential of her encountering an accident on her journey.[90] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes, it would seem that many climate change deniers are using the same lame tactics that brenthutch no doubt picked up from some denier web site. Losers who don't like her message are using her Asperger Syndrome to denigrate her and then are denying the denigration. The fact is that she is somewhat inspiring. That causes fear and anger in deniers. Edited September 19, 2019 by gowlerk 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,298 #1721 September 19, 2019 1 hour ago, brenthutch said: Yesterday it was the polar bears, today it is Greta. I wonder what will tomorrow bring? You haven't read about it? They cancelled ice fishing for Pickerel at The Forks this year. Them boy's in the Peg are on thin ice, for sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #1722 September 19, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, brenthutch said: Yesterday it was the polar bears, today it is Greta. I wonder what will tomorrow bring? Wallowing in mud to stay cool? Edited September 19, 2019 by Coreece Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,910 #1723 September 19, 2019 2 hours ago, brenthutch said: Yesterday it was the polar bears, today it is Greta. I wonder what will tomorrow bring? An entire edition of Time Magazine perhaps? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #1724 September 19, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, brenthutch said: Yesterday it was the polar bears, today it is Greta. I wonder what will tomorrow bring? Probably more obvious examples of warming global temperatures and more people who understand we're not doing enough quickly enough. And considering trends.... Edited September 19, 2019 by DJL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,910 #1725 September 19, 2019 13 minutes ago, DJL said: Probably more obvious examples of warming global temperatures and more people who understand we're not doing enough quickly enough. And considering trends.... That's not so bad. I do not see a hockey stick in that graph so it must be alright. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
