brenthutch 383 #526 May 1, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, billvon said: Average temperatures (averaged over a decade) have increased 1.3F since the 1950's. They have increased 1.8F since the 1880's. You can, of course, try to cherrypick years to reduce that, or switch to degrees C to try to minimize it. or use a smaller timeframe to try to make the data say what you want. But that doesn't change the facts. Ok here is a is a century's worth https://principia-scientific.org/climate-related-deaths-down-by-98-9-last-year-all-time-low/ Edited May 1, 2019 by brenthutch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #527 May 1, 2019 10 minutes ago, brenthutch said: Ok here is a is a century's worth https://principia-scientific.org/climate-related-deaths-down-by-98-9-last-year-all-time-low/ "Principia Scientific International (PSI) is an organization based in the United Kingdom which promotes fringe views and material to claim that carbon dioxide is not a greenhouse gas." And, of course, rescue services have significantly improved since 1920 - helicopters, telephones, etc. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #528 May 1, 2019 (edited) There have been helicopters and telephones for most of the last ninety years. And the incredible drop in climate related deaths correlates nicely with elevated CO2 levels, buttressing my argument that a large carbon footprint = a better life. Edited May 1, 2019 by brenthutch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,397 #529 May 1, 2019 13 minutes ago, brenthutch said: There have been helicopters and telephones for most of the last ninety years. And the incredible drop in climate related deaths correlates nicely with elevated CO2 levels, buttressing my argument that a large carbon footprint = a better life. So: You claim there's almost no temperature rise I show you that that is false You now claim that the CO2 rise/temperature rise is good. Can't wait for your next angle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #530 May 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, billvon said: Can't wait for your next angle. Bill, you just want Americans to die because ambulances are pulled by unicorns. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #531 May 1, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, billvon said: So: You claim there's almost no temperature rise I show you that that is false You now claim that the CO2 rise/temperature rise is good. Can't wait for your next angle. I can walk and chew gum. I never characterized the temperature rise, I just sited NOAA data for the last two decades, beginning in the most recent complete year. (.15C). You characterized it as “massive” Edited May 1, 2019 by brenthutch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #532 May 1, 2019 3 hours ago, brenthutch said: I can walk and chew gum. I never characterized the temperature rise, I just sited NOAA data for the last two decades, beginning in the most recent complete year. (.15C). You characterized it as “massive” At what degree of change do you think it's an issue and over what time period? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,397 #533 May 1, 2019 5 hours ago, brenthutch said: I can walk and chew gum. I never characterized the temperature rise, I just sited NOAA data for the last two decades, beginning in the most recent complete year. (.15C). You characterized it as “massive” To repeat: Increasing the CO2 content of the atmosphere by 50% is massively messing with the atmosphere. That's what is "massive." It is having a lot of results, including ocean acidification, greening of vegetated areas, and increases in temperature. Temperatures have increased 1.3F since the 1950's, which is why we are seeing sea level rises and melting glaciers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #534 May 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, billvon said: which is why we are seeing sea level rises and melting glaciers. Wait - What? AOC says that's from cows. Which is it? Volcanoes or cows? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,122 #535 May 2, 2019 51 minutes ago, turtlespeed said: Which is it? It is a Chinese hoax. It is also a good indication of how positions from the extreme sides are used to avoid having meaningful dialogue and discussion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #536 May 2, 2019 https://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/04/ocean-acidification-yet-another-wobbly-pillar-of-climate-alarmism/ Bill, temps have been rising, glaciers have been melting and sea levels have been rising since the end of the last ice age. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #537 May 2, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, brenthutch said: https://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/04/ocean-acidification-yet-another-wobbly-pillar-of-climate-alarmism/ Bill, temps have been rising, glaciers have been melting and sea levels have been rising since the end of the last ice age. It would pretty much settle it then, if one could show a graph that shows the acceleration of warming vs CO2. A scale with a base of one year, showing data for, say, 750 years. Edited May 2, 2019 by turtlespeed clarification Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #538 May 2, 2019 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cecmvYq_91A like this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #539 May 2, 2019 1 hour ago, brenthutch said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cecmvYq_91A like this? Do you have anything in the last decade? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #540 May 2, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, brenthutch said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cecmvYq_91A like this? I don't use this word often but.......DUDE. Are you seriously using Michael Crichton and material from his book "State of Fear" to support your points? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HE'S A FUCKING FICTION NOVEL WRITER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SELLING HIS FICTIONAL BOOK ABOUT ECO-TERRORISTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Edited: To make these ^^^ thingies line up right. Edited May 2, 2019 by DJL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #541 May 2, 2019 19 hours ago, brenthutch said: There have been helicopters and telephones for most of the last ninety years. And the incredible drop in climate related deaths correlates nicely with elevated CO2 levels, buttressing my argument that a large carbon footprint = a better life. Your knowledge of civilian helicopter rescues is sadly inaccurate. And for the "etcetera" we have far better weather forecasting of things like hurricanes, tornadoes and floods, we have cell phones with us 24/7. . . . . . Your arguments are all pretty lame and your denier sources absurd, but that was maybe the lamest of them all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #542 May 2, 2019 2 hours ago, brenthutch said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cecmvYq_91A like this? Congratulations - your credibility has reached the exalted levels of a "Rushmc Rating" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnhking1 70 #543 May 2, 2019 World In Midst of Carbon Drought (w/ Prof. William Happer, Princeton University) I found this video about CO2, start at 2:20. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #544 May 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, johnhking1 said: World In Midst of Carbon Drought (w/ Prof. William Happer, Princeton University) I found this video about CO2, start at 2:20. Ah yes, the guy who said that losing the Ozone layer was not an issue. Good to see him still getting air time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnhking1 70 #545 May 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, DJL said: Ah yes, the guy who said that losing the Ozone layer was not an issue. Good to see him still getting air time. I guess you need to stay visible if you want to receive grants. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,397 #546 May 2, 2019 16 hours ago, turtlespeed said: Wait - What? AOC says that's from cows. Which is it? Volcanoes or cows? Intentional misunderstanding score - 100%. Perhaps you could go to work on Priuses or bicycles. I hear they are worse than Ford Expeditions, somehow! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,397 #547 May 2, 2019 12 hours ago, turtlespeed said: It would pretty much settle it then, if one could show a graph that shows the acceleration of warming vs CO2. A scale with a base of one year, showing data for, say, 750 years. https://timescavengers.blog/climate-change/co2-past-present-future/ So is it settled? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #548 May 2, 2019 17 minutes ago, billvon said: https://timescavengers.blog/climate-change/co2-past-present-future/ So is it settled? It is for me. The impact is what is in question. I really like irony, and the 1% that will be losing their investment properties, and the celebrities that will be losing their mansions kinda makes me giddy. The problem I have is that most of the alarmist predictions are mostly false. YET, somehow, and for some reason, we are still supposed to take them seriously. Whats the saying? The proof is in the pudding? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,122 #549 May 2, 2019 6 minutes ago, turtlespeed said: The problem I have is that most of the alarmist predictions are mostly false. YET, somehow, and for some reason, we are still supposed to take them seriously. Whats the saying? The proof is in the pudding? And yet we are spending money on trying to prevent large asteroids from hitting the earth. I mean I have heard these alarmist predictions that a large asteroid could wipe out all life on earth. That's pretty damn alarmist. Yet, it clearly has never happened. Why should I believe anybody that this could be possible and we should look at ways to avoid that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #550 May 2, 2019 1 minute ago, SkyDekker said: And yet we are spending money on trying to prevent large asteroids from hitting the earth. I mean I have heard these alarmist predictions that a large asteroid could wipe out all life on earth. That's pretty damn alarmist. Yet, it clearly has never happened. Why should I believe anybody that this could be possible and we should look at ways to avoid that? LMAO - what is it that you think is going to happen to say - China - if we spend an unprecedented trillions of dollars, by (following the NGD) cleaning up the US? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
