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sheeks

Have you ever seen someone get slammed super hard by Aerodyne’s Pilot?

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On 3/22/2019 at 6:16 PM, gowlerk said:

Be careful, you are spreading false information. Vectran is considered dimensionally stable. A Vectran lined canopy stays in trim. If anyone is confused and wants to better understand line material characteristics they should go to the PD website and read their excellent article explain it.

that might be true, but PD recommends dacron for jumpers with exit weights above 260 on the Spectres.  That might explain why it helps with potential hard openings. 

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I had two Spectra and got slammed by one out of maybe 1,000 jumps.  I'm pretty sure it was the packer because at the boogie, several others had the same happen to them.  My present Pilot 132 has 600+ jumps and all great openings.  I just ordered another Pilot but 168 for a bit more canopy above my head.

 

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On 3/3/2019 at 3:23 AM, sheeks said:

I know that the repeated mantra is “any canopy can open hard unexpectedly”, but obviously canopy design is a huge factor in that. The Sabre 1 is living proof of my point without much more needing to be said.

But regardless, people still occasionally die because of the openings on modern canopies that usually open soft and snivvely.  I’ve heard good things about PD’s Storm, but Carolyn Clay was alao allegedly flying one when she passed away. So my point remains.

 

I was thinking of getting my first rig soon, and i’m honestly tied between getting an F111 canopy or an AD Pilot, with dacron either way, because my #1 main focus is gonna be on trying to avoid a hard opening. 

 

Assuming the lines are kept in trim, the slider is up, and all the stows are double-wrapped in the correct sequence to about 10-12 pounds (and sprayed with silicone to avoid baglock), and I pull stable, does that pretty much cover all the elements in terms of being realistic about staying soft? I’m fragile as fuck.

 

Would having a master rigger add a slider pocket to a Pilot or switch the slider out for a domed one be an acceptable precautionary practice on the offhand chance of something getting screwed up during deployment as an added security measure, or would it cause more harm than good? (Assuming the extra 200-500 feet of snivel from a slider mod would be kept in consideration during tracking and pull altitudes)

last summer there is someone who had a terrible shock opening with a Pilot from Aerodyne , the emmergency services had to take him to hospital because he broke his neck...

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I'm going to add my voice to the "spraycan-dissenter crowd" of course, but I'd also like to submit that I'm not a fan of double stowing.

I prefer to use small rubber bands and keep them in good condition. If I have to replace one, I also replace the opposite one.

For reference, I jump a Lightning 160 with Dacron lines.
When I loan rubber bands to swoopers, they complain that these rubber bands are too small (presumably for double stowing). :-)

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I jump:

Pilot 168, with Dacron lines, and (larger) slider from Pilot 230 with brass slider grommets.

800 jumps, one extremely fast opening (lasted half a second), but the force was not transmitted brutally to me! I was amazed, did not feel any pain or even discomfort. I contribute this to stretchy Dacron.

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On 3/3/2019 at 9:15 AM, lyosha said:

If soft openings are your goal, F111 should not be in consideration. All modern canopies made from F111 all open harder than their pure zp counterparts. That's why people like them for wingsuitting.

 

I have a pilot 9 right now and openings are always great thus far(about 100 jumps on it). Haven't heard of anyone getting slammed by one.

 

I'm not a pilot fanboy by any means, my favorite canopy to  date was my sabre2... but it did open uncomfortably on occasion. I'm a guy that switches canopies every 100 or so jumps just to try something new.

 

I've also put a bunch of jumps on a Sabre1 with a pocket slider. I wouldn't put one on a pilot. I already get 1000 foot snivels out of it on occasion. Any more and it will be ridiculous...

 

Both of the instances where a canopy opened hard enough to damage itself, the canopy was a safire2.  Haven't come across similar from a pilot yet, but could also be that sample size is too small and events too uncommon. But if you're trying to avoid the tail cases to the point of paranoia... In my jumps on it it behaved fine.

 

Hope this helps.

I have seen an experimented guy slammed so hard by a Pilot 7 what he had broken ribs after opening  and could not flair his main, then he hurted his legs very bad by hitting the ground...he did not jump again

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