Legal to work in US

[Rafy 0]

Hi everyone !

I would like to know why it's REALLY IMPOSSIBLE now to come and work in US without "be legal to work in US"... ?

I know we get some solutions... to be sponsoring by the employer but all DZ are not intersted by that ... but why ?! 

Thanks for all answer I'll get

Edited February 16, 2019 by Rafy

[ghostdog 7]

Let me tell you something

I work for a big IT company. We hire non-US residents regularly. We have a team of 10 Visa/HR specialists who are in charge of Visa stuff for the non-US residents.

How many DZ you know that can afford 1 full time HR staff?

[Rafy 0]

Thanks for you answer

I'm not really sure to understand your question....

I try to come and work in US and I've been in contact with many many DZ, but first question it's always, are you legal to work in US ?

So if your question is : how many DZ are looking for full time instructor,  my answer is : A LOT

If your question mean, do you know what it cost to a DZ to employ a no-US resident,  my answer is : NO...

I'm really trying to know WHY they are not ok ton sponsor peoples so if it cost money,  now I understand...

I really looking forward to find a solution to get a work permit and come to US, so if you get any advice or idea let me know

Edited February 17, 2019 by Rafy

[20kN 93]

I dont work in skydiving HR so I cant speak from direct experience, but my guess would be that they don't want to be bothered with the extra work. It's a lot easier to hire a US citizen than a non-resident alien. It's not as simple as just sponsoring you over. It's more involved than that and many work visa requests are denied. The US government would prefer US jobs go to US citizens and so there are limitations of issuance on work visas and many people do not qualify for one.

Edited February 17, 2019 by 20kN

[PhreeZone 14]

TLDR version - expensive to get someone that might only be a short term employment

In order for a company to sponsor a non-citizen they have to show that there is a lack of citizens that have the correct skill set to fill the job openings. This is a long drawn out process where they have to establish the need, show that they have tried to get people for the position and that there is no one able to take the job for a certain length of time. This might mean they have to be seeking someone for 9 months and show that no one has been qualified for the position in that length of time. If they then want to sponsor someone they then have to find the person, get a work visa (lottery system with only limited numbers per year) do the paperwork, be able to get them a work permit, pay the fees and then have the person come over to work for them. Most times this involves signing longer term contracts since they have a large investment in the person at that point and the last thing they want is for that person to come over and then leave 2 months in since they don't like it anymore. Most DZ's do not hire employees but instead hire independent contractors - aka freelancers that are not on a contract and can quit/leave at any time and have a lot of other things for taxes that the DZ's do not have to cover.

With all this being said a DZ might have to spend 5-10+ thousand dollars to sponsor someone to come from overseas or they can just find a local for free. With most DZ's that need staff are in a seasonal location that means they might be paying a lot of money for someone that might only last 5-7 months before the DZ shuts down for the winter and then that person decides to go somewhere warmer and then will have to get that person to return to them in the spring. If the sponsored person decides not to go back or leaves the country then its potential legal bills to sue over the situation or writing off the costs of it. It has been done for the right people - high level coaches, specialists like videographers with movie level experience and others that have skills and personal relationships with DZ's that make the investment worth it for them. When a Tandem Instructor only makes say 40k USD in a year paying out another 10K for a non resident alien to come over to get the job is usually not an investment that DZ's are willing to make unless its for someone with extraordinary skills or abilities that has the potential to recover those costs and make the DZ more money. Think of a high level coach - DZ's could make their money back and it promotes the DZ with all the teams that the coach will bring to their DZ that they would not have had otherwise.

Tandem instructors and AFF instructors are just not lacking enough for the most part to show the need to the US government that they need to allow lots of nonresidents to come over to fill the need.

[gowlerk 1,903]

Like many industries the skydiving world would be filled with lower wage imported workers if it were legal. Instead, DZs compete for qualified citizens to do the work. That means if they can't fill the position they either don't pay enough, or something about the working conditions is driving potential workers to go elsewhere. The industry typically charges a minimum of $200 or more often closer to $300 for a tandem experience. They should be able to hire or train both packers and TIs at those rates. Those who can't are doing something wrong. And of course immigrant workers are a hot topic right now. Not just in America, but all over the western world. The situation in Canada is very similar.