Phil1111 908 #51 January 3, 2019 SkyDekkerThe last few years has been great to easily spot hypocrites and fools. It also shows that the US system us heavily broken. So is Italy, less so Portugal(debt), France(social mobility) and Japan(debt). Two years does not make a broken government. Dems could bring forth a strong leader for the 2020 presidential race. There seems to be massive interest and a huge groundswell of numbers of young women. Romney, or Kasich could cause a rebirth of the deceased republican party. Both are capable of bi-partisan leadership. Two years from now the US will be starting to climb out of the trump recession. With real leadership on the horizon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #52 January 3, 2019 Phil1111****** It just too bad that issues are frequently less important than image. Less important than a funny or flippant one liner in debate. Emotion will most often override logic. I agree. Its unfortunate that more trump supporters can't post the logical reasons for their support in SC. Are White Evangelicals the Saviors of the GOP? https://www.rollcall.com/news/gonzales/are-white-evangelicals-the-saviors-of-the-gop "Amid all the talk about shifting demographics and political changes over the last decade, one key voting group has remained virtually unchanged: white evangelicals. According to one evangelical leader, a record number of white evangelicals voted in the 2018 midterms after an inspired turnout effort. “This is the most ambitious and most effective voter education, get-out-the-vote program directed at the faith-based vote in a midterm election in modern political history,” Faith & Freedom Coalition President Ralph Reed said the day after the November elections.... Reed said “conservative Christians” — apparently a broader group composed of more than white evangelicals — made up 35 percent of the electorate. That’s according to an Election Day survey conducted by Public Opinion Strategies for Faith & Freedom. Previous surveys showed conservative Christians making up 33 percent of the electorate in 2016 and 32 percent in 2014.... While white evangelicals might have been a significant bloc of voters in the Senate, their relevance in House races might be waning. In 2006, Democrats gained 30 House seats while losing white evangelical voters by 42 points. In 2018, Democrats are poised to gain 40 seats while losing white evangelical voters by 53 points.... White evangelicals gave Trump 92 percent of their vote in 2016," Roll Call is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roll_Call The above suggests that except for about eight percent of the vote. trump's base of support, 34% of all voters, arises from christian evangelicals. Which brings up: How US churches exploit tax exemption to promote faith-based politics https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/nov/20/us-churches-tax-exemption-faithbased-politics "With the IRS turning a blind eye, the Christian right is getting its political advertising subsidised by American taxpayers This fall, millions of people learned in church that they could go to hell if they didn't vote for a certain presidential candidate or party platform. Millions more took in media advertisements sponsored by religious groups that made the same point. Let us set aside the question about whether God takes sides in American elections. The more pressing fact about this kind of religious-political advertising is that you, dear taxpayer, are footing part of the bill. According to a recent Pew survey, about 13% of regular churchgoers reported receiving "political information" at church services, and about half of those said they were urged to support a specific candidate or party. So, to use the language of marketing, church-based advertising reached somewhere between 8 and 16 million "eyeballs".... A number of fundamentalist Christian activists have an answer. Matt Barber, vice-president of the rightwing Liberty Counsel Action, spells it out in an op-ed for World News Daily titled "IRS Surrenders: Time for Churches to Get 'Political'". The Internal Revenue Service, he says, has given up on enforcing the law, so churches should just go ahead and flout it. If pastors get a letter from any liberal groups pointing out that electioneering will put their tax status in jeopardy, says Barber, "I suggest a singular use for it: bird-cage liner." I belong to the redneck Pentecostal group. We are difficult to predict because we do not participate in polls very often. I never do. We also avoid the MSM. We know that liberal Ds do not reflect our values and the Rs come closer. We basically see the federal government as one snake with two heads. We like President Trump because he is trying to change that and we support his endeavor.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #53 January 3, 2019 billvon>Wait! Wasn't Trump a Democrat back then? Yep. And had Ron been posting back then, the scorn he would have heaped on him would have been prodigious. Nah, I was apolitical back then. I didn't start paying attention until Clinton got in.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #54 January 3, 2019 RonD1120We basically see the federal government as one snake with two heads. We like President Trump because he is trying to change that and we support his endeavor. In what way is he trying to change that?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,380 #55 January 3, 2019 >I didn't start paying attention until Clinton got in. Clinton was elected in 1992. Trump was a draft-dodging democrat up until 2009. I have zero doubt you would have attacked him almost as assiduously as you attacked Obama during the same time frame - if you had thought of him as a politician. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #56 January 3, 2019 billvon>I didn't start paying attention until Clinton got in. Clinton was elected in 1992. Trump was a draft-dodging democrat up until 2009. I have zero doubt you would have attacked him almost as assiduously as you attacked Obama during the same time frame - if you had thought of him as a politician. You also have zero understanding of me as a person. I thought JFK was a great president. It is not about Ds and Rs. It is about the spread of socialism and communism.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,121 #57 January 3, 2019 RonD1120***>I didn't start paying attention until Clinton got in. Clinton was elected in 1992. Trump was a draft-dodging democrat up until 2009. I have zero doubt you would have attacked him almost as assiduously as you attacked Obama during the same time frame - if you had thought of him as a politician. You also have zero understanding of me as a person. I thought JFK was a great president. It is not about Ds and Rs. It is about the spread of socialism and communism. But the Russians are now the good guys in the fight against socialism and communism right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,380 #58 January 3, 2019 >It is not about Ds and Rs. It is about the spread of socialism and communism. One of the great lessons of my life has been to believe in what people do, not what they say. Again, I have no doubt that if Trump had run as a Democrat (which he was for much of his life) you would be here listing his crimes, his infidelities, his draft-dodging, his ass-kissing of dictators and strongmen, his attacks against the military and his collusion with Russia as all reasons he was unfit to be president. Just because of that D after his name. I have no doubt about this - not because of what I think about you as a person, but because that's all you have ever done here. If you go to a store and the store owner tells you "I am the most honest person you will ever meet!" but he shorts you on change every single time - you will start counting your change. Even if he explains how you know nothing about him as a person. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #59 January 3, 2019 jakee***We basically see the federal government as one snake with two heads. We like President Trump because he is trying to change that and we support his endeavor. In what way is he trying to change that? Drain the Swamp Cancer In American government X-fer power to No Such Agency Mystery of the five envelopes Bidens & Bushes priceless Indictments 65K+[?] Military Tribunals Gitmo ready ENJOY THE SHOW WWG1WGALook for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #60 January 3, 2019 I truly love your imagination because you simply can't figure me out. I don't fit your known categories, boxes. God luv ya, ya don't stop tryin'.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,116 #61 January 3, 2019 QuoteTwo years does not make a broken government. This. The Presidency isn't broken; entrenched congresscritters and favor-currying of and by major corporations and lobbying groups is a larger problem. In two years we'll have another election; I fully trust that whoever is elected will serve, with much gnashing of teeth by whoever supports whoever lost. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #62 January 3, 2019 SkyDekker******>I didn't start paying attention until Clinton got in. Clinton was elected in 1992. Trump was a draft-dodging democrat up until 2009. I have zero doubt you would have attacked him almost as assiduously as you attacked Obama during the same time frame - if you had thought of him as a politician. You also have zero understanding of me as a person. I thought JFK was a great president. It is not about Ds and Rs. It is about the spread of socialism and communism. But the Russians are now the good guys in the fight against socialism and communism right? Heck, I don't know. However, I can understand the wisdom of a business opportunity in Russia. Check out Armand Hammer.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 908 #63 January 3, 2019 billvon>It is not about Ds and Rs. It is about the spread of socialism and communism. One of the great lessons of my life has been to believe in what people do, not what they say. Again, I have no doubt that if Trump had run as a Democrat (which he was for much of his life) you would be here listing his crimes, his infidelities, his draft-dodging, his ass-kissing of dictators and strongmen, his attacks against the military and his collusion with Russia as all reasons he was unfit to be president. Just because of that D after his name. I have no doubt about this - not because of what I think about you as a person, but because that's all you have ever done here. If you go to a store and the store owner tells you "I am the most honest person you will ever meet!" but he shorts you on change every single time - you will start counting your change. Even if he explains how you know nothing about him as a person. So trump is anti-socialist eh? Trump wants $12 billion in aid to U.S. farmers https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-farmers/trump-wants-12-billion-in-aid-to-u-s-farmers-suffering-from-trade-war-idUSKBN1KE1YE These Companies Laid Off Large Numbers of Employees After Taking Trump's Tax Cuts https://www.cheatsheet.com/money-career/these-companies-started-firing-employees-right-after-getting-tax-cuts-from-trump.html/ Trump Administration Wants Welfare for Coal, Nuclear https://www.realclearenergy.org/2018/07/03/trump_administration_wants_welfare_for_coal_nuclear_286146.html Donald Trump: The ‘Anti-Corporatist’ Candidate? https://www.nationalreview.com/2015/12/donald-trump-corporate-welfare/ For those that don't know. National Review is THE conservative periodical. Of all the mystical qualities that Trump supporters attribute to their candidate, the one I find most curious is that Trump is the “anti-corporatist” candidate. Trump? “Anti-corporatist”? Really? (REALLY RON?) "Trump has rarely met a proposal for corporate welfare that he didn’t love.... Republicans have been highly critical of the Obama administration’s propensity to throw money at so-called “green energy” companies. But Trump is just as big a supporter of taxpayer subsidies for alternative energy sources.... Trump’s support for corporate welfare can’t be explained away as pandering to key voter groups, either. It’s heartfelt and longstanding. As far back as 1986, Trump opposed Ronald Reagan’s tax reform because it eliminated corporate loopholes, including special tax breaks for real-estate developers; he warned that it would be “a disaster for the country.”... And it wasn’t just the banks. Trump also supported the Obama administration’s bailout of the auto industry and its unions. “I think the government should stand behind them 100 percent,” Trump told Fox News. “You cannot lose the auto companies. They’re great. They make wonderful products.” Trump may have flip-flopped on all sorts of issues, but when it comes to corporations feeding at the public trough, he’s been steady as a rock.... Then there is Trump’s long love affair with eminent domain. Trump has, of course, famously attempted repeatedly to use eminent domain to benefit his own business dealings, most notoriously when he encouraged the New Jersey Casino Reinvestment Development Authority, a government agency, to seize the home of Vera Coking, a 70-year-old widow, and turn the property over to him for development. In another instance, Trump asked the Connecticut government to condemn five Bridgeport businesses so that he could use the land for a business development.... “I happen to agree with it 100 percent. If you have a person living in an area that’s not even necessarily a good area, and . . . government wants to build a tremendous economic development, where a lot of people are going to be put to work and . . . create thousands upon thousands of jobs and beautification and lots of other things, I think it happens to be good.” Even Trump’s protectionist trade policy is essentially a corporatist subsidy for favored industries and unions at the expense of consumers and non-favored industries. There are a great many corporations — automakers, steel mills, textile companies — that would agree with him. Those of us who will have to pay more for everything we buy, not so much." trump loves welfare, for himself. Expropriation by the state of private property, great idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,116 #64 January 3, 2019 QuoteI didn't start paying attention until Clinton got inDid you start listening to the radio around then? The repeal of the Fairness Doctrine seemed to exacerbate the thought-insulation-sphere phenomenon; an intellectual (or anti-intellectual) cocooning that went right along with all the other 80's and 90's "have it your way" themes. It's no more your country than it's mine; just as it's no more my country than it's yours. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #65 January 3, 2019 RonD1120You also have zero understanding of me as a person. I thought JFK was a great president. It is not about Ds and Rs. It is about the spread of socialism and communism. And Trump literally just said that the USSR were right to fight for a Communist regime in Afghanistan. Surely that makes him the only US President ever to state that he supported the spread of Communism, yet he's the one you approve of most of all.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #66 January 3, 2019 RonD1120******We basically see the federal government as one snake with two heads. We like President Trump because he is trying to change that and we support his endeavor. In what way is he trying to change that? Drain the Swamp In what way is he trying to drain the swamp? It doesn't matter that he said he was going to, what is he actually doing? Because remember, he has publically stated that he never even wanted to say 'drain the swamp' until he realised his audience liked it.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,380 #67 January 3, 2019 >In what way is he trying to drain the swamp? He's replacing the old swamp with his own. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,121 #68 January 3, 2019 RonD1120*********>I didn't start paying attention until Clinton got in. Clinton was elected in 1992. Trump was a draft-dodging democrat up until 2009. I have zero doubt you would have attacked him almost as assiduously as you attacked Obama during the same time frame - if you had thought of him as a politician. You also have zero understanding of me as a person. I thought JFK was a great president. It is not about Ds and Rs. It is about the spread of socialism and communism. But the Russians are now the good guys in the fight against socialism and communism right? Heck, I don't know. However, I can understand the wisdom of a business opportunity in Russia. Check out Armand Hammer. Then why lie about it, his base would have understood it was all above board. Secondly, Trump said today that the USSR was right to try and spread communism in Afghanistan by repeating Russian speaking notes during a cabinet meeting. If it is all about the spread of communism and socialism, why do you support a president who states the USSR was correct in doing so? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #69 January 4, 2019 SkyDekkerThe last few years has been great to easily spot hypocrites and fools. It also shows that the US system us heavily broken. I agree. Just like those who scream about trump lying but didn’t give a fuck when Obama was saying you could keep your insurance policy or doctor and your prices would go down. Or when he said he didn’t know about Hillary’s private email server."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,121 #70 January 4, 2019 rushmc***The last few years has been great to easily spot hypocrites and fools. It also shows that the US system us heavily broken. I agree. Just like those who scream about trump lying but didn’t give a fuck when Obama was saying you could keep your insurance policy or doctor and your prices would go down. Or when he said he didn’t know about Hillary’s private email server. I thought Trump lying was Fake News? Are you now admitting that trump lies? Do you really want to compare lies told between Hillary, Obama and Trump? Cause by any objective measure that is not going to end well for your boy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,121 #71 January 4, 2019 RonD1120******We basically see the federal government as one snake with two heads. We like President Trump because he is trying to change that and we support his endeavor. In what way is he trying to change that? Drain the Swamp Cancer In American government X-fer power to No Such Agency Mystery of the five envelopes Bidens & Bushes priceless Indictments 65K+[?] Military Tribunals Gitmo ready ENJOY THE SHOW WWG1WGA I found Q for you. https://i.redd.it/pi0uaa5wt9821.jpg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #72 January 4, 2019 SkyDekker******The last few years has been great to easily spot hypocrites and fools. It also shows that the US system us heavily broken. I agree. Just like those who scream about trump lying but didn’t give a fuck when Obama was saying you could keep your insurance policy or doctor and your prices would go down. Or when he said he didn’t know about Hillary’s private email server. I thought Trump lying was Fake News? Are you now admitting that trump lies? Do you really want to compare lies told between Hillary, Obama and Trump? Cause by any objective measure that is not going to end well for your boy. it is very clear that objectivity does not mean the same to you that it does to anybody else looks at facts. But then the real point is you really don't care about lying unless it is somebody else other than what you support."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,121 #73 January 4, 2019 So does Trump lie or not? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #74 January 4, 2019 SkyDekkerSo does Trump lie or not? Sure he does. So let me let me ask you. Does Comey, Obama, Clinton, rosenstein, and all the others lies matter to? Or doesn't that matter? And the big goddamn question is did that matter to you at the time? I don't like the lying. But the selective outrage at lying when it only backs up your political view is hypocritical at level that we only see from Democrats."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #75 January 4, 2019 SkyDekkerSo does Trump lie or not? and let us not forget that the biggest lie ever foisted on the American public was the Obamacare lie. Does that matter anything to you? Probably not because you're not of this country."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
