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Shaming people into not eating meat is just as effective as shaming them for supporting the candidates/politicians/religious figures they do. You back them into a corner, and they double down.

I’m not a vegetarian, but I do limit beef particularly because of its environmental expense, and other animal flesh for animal treatment reasons. But I’m comfortable standing on that, and not standing against someone else.

And I made a wonderful vegetarian gluten-free organic thanksgiving dressing. Got a number of requests for the recipe, from special eaters and ominivorea alike. It’s a matter of highlighting what something can do, rather than trying to camouflage what it can’t.

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I’m not a vegetarian, but I do limit beef particularly because of its environmental expense, and other animal flesh for animal treatment reasons.


We were 99% vegetarian before we had kids. Now with two kids who are periodically low on iron, meat is making more of an appearance than it did before. The change took some getting used to.

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How were they allowed to disrupt inside for 20 minutes? I would be requesting the owner to throw them out. What a pain in the ass.

"However, there is currently no research on whether disrupting meat eaters' meals is an effective way to encourage them take up a plant-based diet."

I seriously doubt it. I dont even eat a lot of meat, but I certainly dont want jerks ruining a nice meal out and dictating what I should or shouldn't eat. I'll listen to reasonable civil discourse on the subject, but pulling an idiotic stunt like this will just result in most completely ignoring anything you have to say.

Reminds me of some anti-nuclear stunt some students did throwing bars of soap at some prominent speaker. The speaker just quietly stepped back until security escorted the protesters out (with applause from the audience). I happened to step out for the bathroom or something and witnessed the students getting chewed out by what appeared to be their mentor/colleague who was telling them their stupid stunt only set back their cause, as no one in there would take them seriously after that.

You catch more flies with honey. You want people to eat less meat? Start offering better choices that fulfill the taste/nutrition/convenience/cost that motivate people to choose meat in the first place.
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Absolutely. I have a relative who’s a lifelong vegetarian. When she discovered as an adult that she had additional food sensitivities, she started eating fish, because she just couldn’t eat a balanced enough diet anymore.

Wendy P.
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I wonder what the vegetarians will think about test-tube-grown chicken and beef: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjSe-0vSRMY





I'm guessing most of them will celebrate it. And then use it as an argument to outlaw animal based foods.
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***I wonder what the vegetarians will think about test-tube-grown chicken and beef: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjSe-0vSRMY





I'm guessing most of them will celebrate it. And then use it as an argument to outlaw animal based foods.

I hope they can also do this with shrimp and lobster!:)
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I wonder what the vegetarians will think about test-tube-grown chicken and beef: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjSe-0vSRMY



Heresy, a plot by Greenpeace, tree huggers, communists and dems.

Actually a great idea.

Five Cultured Meat Startups Raise Funding as Fledgling Industry Comes into Focus
https://agfundernews.com/cultured-meat-startups-raise-funding.html/

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Nutritionally and ecologically a good idea. But cultured "meat" products will never have the real flavour and texture of flesh and blood with bones and connective tissue and all the great things that make animals so tasty. They are the way of the future, but I'm glad that I'm old enough that I will never have to face the end of carnivorism.
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Nutritionally and ecologically a good idea. But cultured "meat" products will never have the real flavour and texture of flesh and blood with bones and connective tissue and all the great things that make animals so tasty. They are the way of the future, but I'm glad that I'm old enough that I will never have to face the end of carnivorism.



Hog farm pollution: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/sep/20/north-carolina-hog-industry-pig-farms

Antibiotic-resistant superbugs developing due to overuse of antibiotics in raising animals: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2148962-plan-to-slash-farm-antibiotic-use-may-stop-spread-of-resistance/

Consumer Reports:
Dangerous contaminated chicken 97% of the breasts we tested harbored bacteria that could make you sick
https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine/2014/02/the-high-cost-of-cheap-chicken/index.htm

Dangerous working conditions in slaughterhouses: https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2016/08/11/489468205/working-the-chain-slaughterhouse-workers-face-lifelong-injuries


I'll be happy to see an end to all of it.
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I'm guessing most of them will celebrate it. And then use it as an argument to outlaw animal based foods.



Yes, meat eaters are almost as persecuted as Christians. Hold on, poor fella, you can withstand the storm as 5% of the population forces their will on you.

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I'm guessing most of them will celebrate it. And then use it as an argument to outlaw animal based foods.



Yes, meat eaters are almost as persecuted as Christians. Hold on, poor fella, you can withstand the storm as 5% of the population forces their will on you.



No-one has ever had it as bad as middle-class white men who eat meat at christmas.
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Nutritionally and ecologically a good idea. But cultured "meat" products will never have the real flavour and texture of flesh and blood with bones and connective tissue and all the great things that make animals so tasty. They are the way of the future, but I'm glad that I'm old enough that I will never have to face the end of carnivorism.



Those are just all psychological triggers for your mind. That bring back positive memories of great steaks, chicken wings, etc. If a person had a five star meal cooked by a "Iron Chef" in a restaurant of fantastic ambiance. Then was served a quality, tasty, "farm grown" bio-lobster, bio-steak, bio-shrimp meal.

Your brain would start to make the same associations with the bio-products.

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***Nutritionally and ecologically a good idea. But cultured "meat" products will never have the real flavour and texture of flesh and blood with bones and connective tissue and all the great things that make animals so tasty. They are the way of the future, but I'm glad that I'm old enough that I will never have to face the end of carnivorism.



Those are just all psychological triggers for your mind. That bring back positive memories of great steaks, chicken wings, etc. If a person had a five star meal cooked by a "Iron Chef" in a restaurant of fantastic ambiance. Then was served a quality, tasty, "farm grown" bio-lobster, bio-steak, bio-shrimp meal.

Your brain would start to make the same associations with the bio-products.


You obviously have never carefully browned a piece of beef chuck and then slowly braised it until the the connective tissue melted into a glorious sauce. Or smoked a brisket, or pork side ribs, or eaten chicken wings. None of these experiences will ever be duplicated in a laboratory produced product. There is far more than just flavour going on there.

I agree that this is where the future is, and that we will be better off. But something will be lost and at my age I will never form the mental associations you speak of.
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You obviously have never carefully browned a piece of beef chuck and then slowly braised it until the the connective tissue melted into a glorious sauce. Or smoked a brisket, or pork side ribs, or eaten chicken wings. None of these experiences will ever be duplicated in a laboratory produced product. There is far more than just flavour going on there.



Well no, not those exact experiences. But there could still be far more going on than just flavour.

Look at the rise or the molecular gastronomy chefs and restaurants like Heston Blumenthal or elBulli. They'll have experiences cooking and eating food that you can never replicate by just braising meat.

Different doesn't necessarily mean better or worse.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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But cultured "meat" products will never have the real flavour and texture of flesh and blood with bones and connective tissue and all the great things that make animals so tasty.


Right. And hybrid corn will never have the flavor and texture of the original maize (a sort of corn that looks like a hand grenade and has a few dozen kernels.) But we are OK with hybridized corn. In fact, most people prefer it if given a choice.

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You obviously have never carefully browned a piece of beef chuck and then slowly braised it until the the connective tissue melted into a glorious sauce. Or smoked a brisket, or pork side ribs, or eaten chicken wings. None of these experiences will ever be duplicated in a laboratory produced product. There is far more than just flavour going on there.



Well no, not those exact experiences. But there could still be far more going on than just flavour.

Look at the rise or the molecular gastronomy chefs and restaurants like Heston Blumenthal or elBulli. They'll have experiences cooking and eating food that you can never replicate by just braising meat.

Different doesn't necessarily mean better or worse.



Its coming:

Making Steak out of Spinach: How bioengineering could change meat production

"To start resembling a realistic steak with full flavor, texture, and nutrient content, lab-grown muscle needs to incorporate fat and connective tissue. Fat is easier to grow than skeletal muscle because the same muscle-derived satellite cells become fat cells in the presence of naturally occurring chemicals called fatty acids, and fat cells do not need to be as well-aligned or contracted as muscle cells. Fibrous tissue, however, is grown from a different group of cells called fibroblasts, which can also be found in muscle tissue samples. Interestingly, new research has shown that fibroblasts can be reprogrammed into satellite cells, thereby functioning as another source of myoblasts and fat cells. Although these muscle, fat, and connective tissues can all be grown in the lab, each needs its own highly specialized growth environment, making it difficult to grow them together into a complete meat tissue. Scientists in a wide range of biological fields are attempting to find the best ways to grow multiple cell types together effectively."
http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2018/making-steak-spinach-bioengineering-change-meat-production/

A "AAA" grade top filet mignon with the marbling of Kobe/Wagyu, bio engineered.

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A "AAA" grade top filet mignon with the marbling of Kobe/Wagyu, bio engineered.



Meh....The tenderloin muscle is over rated. It's tender, but has little flavour or character. That's why it needs the puff pastry and liver pate of a beef Wellington. Or to be bacon wrapped as steak. Or in a flavourful sauce as in beef Bourguignon. Let then try to engineer a nice ribeye!
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