ryoder 1,381 #1 December 5, 2017 Just watch the video. http://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/12/pa_lawmaker_to_colleague_im_a.html I predict a scandal involving him and another male within 2 years."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mistercwood 287 #2 December 5, 2017 That was a hell of a composed reaction from Bradford, under the circumstances... You are playing chicken with a planet - you can't dodge and planets don't blink. Act accordingly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewGuy2005 51 #3 December 5, 2017 ryoder I predict a scandal involving him and another male within 2 years. I'm not taking that bet! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,394 #4 December 6, 2017 "I am totally a heterosexual. I have a wife. See? Right here. I had girlfriends, lots of them, whom I kissed and whatnot. I am totally not gay AT ALL. No matter what Fernando says." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #5 December 6, 2017 Huge props to Bradford. He handled that with class. I love the body language of everyone else in the room. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BartsDaddy 4 #6 December 6, 2017 I am not trying to stick up for any one in the particular instance. But isn't unwanted touching a form of harasment. What if Metcalfe was a female and objected to being touched in that manner? I defiantly think the way Metcalfe addressed the matter was a bit of drama, but do we know if this is the first time or is it ongoing? I work with a salesman that is constantly touching everyone. I have called him on it but he still does it. I don't work around him often so I have not made a big issue of it but if I worked around him everyday and had to put up with it I would defiantly complain to managment. Handguns are only used to fight your way to a good rifle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #7 December 6, 2017 No need to be so defiant about everything! Relax! To me, touching others has rules, limitations, and degrees of acceptance. We should all be mindful of that, yet not all are. I know plenty of people who simply do not nor will they ever understand the little social signals that people send out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BartsDaddy 4 #8 December 6, 2017 Oh I'm relaxed Normis. I agree basically with what you say about touching people. Any more in a work place enviorment it should not happen in any way that would be perceived as unwarented by the touchee. I was in the navy around the same time as you, was a hole snipe. We were verry touchy especially during greadings. I don't think that would go over good in the workplace today. Like I say Metcalfe may have been overly dramatic there, but has this been an ongoing thing or only this one time? I don't know. If somebody else does it may explain his reaction. Maybe? Maybe not? Handguns are only used to fight your way to a good rifle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,120 #9 December 7, 2017 I finally got around to watching it. Metcalfe is somewhere at one far end of the touchy-feely spectrum (which Americans are pretty far over on anyway, but nowhere close to the Japanese as far as I know). According to stereotype, your average Italian man is somewhere over on the other end, and a touchy-feely Italian man would be WAY over there. Bradford should be sensitive to this; it's in his job description as politician. Metcalfe was a dick about it, and didn't help himself at all. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dpreguy 14 #10 December 7, 2017 When men guests leave or I meet a man I don't do that California huggy shit. If pressed I shake their hand. This man huggy crap started a while ago. I don't like it. I am not a dick about it though. I just shove my had out for a handshake if I feel like it. Most of the time I don't do anything. I say, "see you soon" or something like that. I don't know when the "man huggy shit " greeting fad started, but for me, the sooner it ends, the better. Women, on the other hand...if they want one - they get a hug. If they don't then I don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,381 #11 December 7, 2017 dpreguy When men guests leave or I meet a man I don't do that California huggy shit. If pressed I shake their hand. This man huggy crap started a while ago. I don't like it. I am not a dick about it though. I just shove my had out for a handshake if I feel like it. Most of the time I don't do anything. I say, "see you soon" or something like that. I don't know when the "man huggy shit " greeting fad started, but for me, the sooner it ends, the better. Women, on the other hand...if they want one - they get a hug. If they don't then I don't. The whole episode was about this topic, but the best part starts at 15:25: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x233a38"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #12 December 7, 2017 I'm not sure about the "California touchy-feely" part. When I greet old Army buddies we "man hug" and we're not exactly a touchy-feely crowd. If a hug is appropriate, I'll equally hug a man or a woman. It's only appropriate, for me at least, if the person is a very close friend, or if we've seen some shit together. Army buddies and skydivers get a hug. Work friends, people I'm meeting for the first time, and casual acquaintances not so much. Touching someone on the elbow to get their attention is not over any line I've ever come across. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob_Church 7 #13 December 7, 2017 Asking someone to stop touching you is fine, but turning it into a gay thing feels like Junior High School. He had no reason to bring that into it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lippy 771 #14 December 7, 2017 In Argentina it's common for male friends to great each other with a kiss on the cheek. Nothing homosexual about it, it's just how they do. Hanging out on DZ's there where we're all family, I got caught off guard a couple of times when some dude I was just meeting went to plant one on me. I got pretty quick at shooting out my arm for a handshake!I got nuthin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dpreguy 14 #15 December 7, 2017 Dan G I agree with you. A few man hugs are Ok as you describe. Just not liking it to be an expected practice every time a man meets a man. Way too (as you say) touchy -feely for me. If a man hugged me because we just met I would consider it an invasion of my space, not a homosexual thing. Offensive on a 'my space' basis. Metcalf's reaction was just being a dick. No need for that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick 67 #16 December 7, 2017 dpreguyWhen men guests leave or I meet a man I don't do that California huggy shit. If pressed I shake their hand. This man huggy crap started a while ago. I don't like it. I am not a dick about it though. I just shove my had out for a handshake if I feel like it. Most of the time I don't do anything. I say, "see you soon" or something like that. I don't know when the "man huggy shit " greeting fad started, but for me, the sooner it ends, the better. Women, on the other hand...if they want one - they get a hug. If they don't then I don't. Not so much a new thing just depends what circles you run in. It's always been a "thing" in the biker world. I will hug family, close friends and guys I served with especially if I have not seen them for a while. Some people are huggy and some aren't no biggie.You can't be drunk all day if you don't start early! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,394 #17 December 8, 2017 >When men guests leave or I meet a man I don't do that California huggy shit. Yep. Different places do different things. My wife (from Oregon) is still a little surprised when people want to kiss her on the cheek all the time when she goes to New York. In Oregon they tend to just hug. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,120 #18 December 8, 2017 Metcalfe really just needs a safe space, doesn't he, with no triggers Wendy P. There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites