kallend 1,827 #51 January 22, 2018 billvonTrump, 2013: "The problems start from the top and have to get solved from the top. The president is the leader, and he's got to get everybody in a room and he's got to lead." Today a reporter asked Sen. Kennedy (R-LA) what the president thinks about his latest funding proposal. His reply: "I do not know where the president is." “Our country was founded by geniuses, but it’s being run by idiots.” Sen. John Neely Kennedy (R-La.), Jan 19, 2018 “We don’t have a reliable partner at the White House to negotiate with.” Senator Lindsey Graham (R), Jan 19, 2018 "I alone can fix it". D. Trump, July 2016.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 59 #52 January 22, 2018 kallend******>Truthfully, I don't know what you are referring to. To simplify, Russian agents are planting the phrase "Schumer Shutdown" to go after their enemies, the Democrats - because, among other things, the investigation into Russian collusion will damage them. They are hoping dupes within the US pick up on it and repeat it. Sounds like a plot from/for a Hollywood movie. I first heard the term from Mick Mulvaney on the radio. Ah yes, Mick Mulvaney, the Republican representative from S. Carolina who engineered the government shutdown in 2013 over ACA. HYPOCRITE! Ergo, he has experience and education.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,827 #53 January 22, 2018 RonD1120*********>Truthfully, I don't know what you are referring to. To simplify, Russian agents are planting the phrase "Schumer Shutdown" to go after their enemies, the Democrats - because, among other things, the investigation into Russian collusion will damage them. They are hoping dupes within the US pick up on it and repeat it. Sounds like a plot from/for a Hollywood movie. I first heard the term from Mick Mulvaney on the radio. Ah yes, Mick Mulvaney, the Republican representative from S. Carolina who engineered the government shutdown in 2013 over ACA. HYPOCRITE! Ergo, he has experience and education. Like Trump has experience in shutting down organizations he heads. Trump U Trump Casinos Trump Steaks Trump Airlines Trump Mortgage Trump Vodka... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 59 #54 January 22, 2018 kallend************>Truthfully, I don't know what you are referring to. To simplify, Russian agents are planting the phrase "Schumer Shutdown" to go after their enemies, the Democrats - because, among other things, the investigation into Russian collusion will damage them. They are hoping dupes within the US pick up on it and repeat it. Sounds like a plot from/for a Hollywood movie. I first heard the term from Mick Mulvaney on the radio. Ah yes, Mick Mulvaney, the Republican representative from S. Carolina who engineered the government shutdown in 2013 over ACA. HYPOCRITE! Ergo, he has experience and education. Like Trump has experience in shutting down organizations he heads. Trump U Trump Casinos Trump Steaks Trump Airlines Trump Mortgage Trump Vodka Congress is not working. Thus when it doesn't work, shut it down. Seems logical.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,294 #55 January 22, 2018 billvon>The "R's" don't control the senate here (at least not without the nuclear option). The republicans control the Senate. They have a majority. The majority leader is a Republican. In the event of a tie, a republican (the vice president) decides. >There aren't enough votes even if every R votes to pass this thing. And yet every R didn't vote for it. So they can't even get their own act together. >Also, the D want this whole DACA shit and wont agree to pass a spending bill >without an agreement to pass DACA in the future. On Jan 11th both democrats and republicans agreed to a DACA compromise that would give them a path to citizenship in 10 years. The agreement also included $1.6 billion for a border wall that Trump wanted. Then went to Trump, and he had a tantrum and rejected it, because "shithole." >The D are the ones putting illegals ahead of our military, VA, gov contractors, >park rangers etc... And Trump's mental instability just destroyed the deal that both parties agreed to, and that would have funded the military, the VA, the government contractors, park rangers etc. But by all means, keep supporting the guy who scuttled the deal while playing the victim. Never mind that the Rs are actively objecting to getting the military paid, something the Ds have been trying to arrange. I am sure millertime will either deny that, or find some creative way to spin that around. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,739 #56 January 22, 2018 >Congress is not working. Thus when it doesn't work, shut it down. Seems logical. Problems start from the top, and they have to get solved from the top, and the president’s the leader, and he’s got to get everybody in a room, and he’s got to lead. He doesn’t like doing that. That’s not his strength. And that’s why you have this horrible situation going on in Washington. It’s a very, very bad thing and it’s very embarrassing worldwide. You have to get people in a room, and you have to just make deals for the good of the country. You just have a president that is not leading and not getting people into a room and not shouting, and cajoling, and laughing, and having a good time and having a terrible time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,351 #57 January 22, 2018 billvon >The D are the ones putting illegals ahead of our military, VA, gov contractors, >park rangers etc... And Trump's mental instability just destroyed the deal that both parties agreed to, and that would have funded the military, the VA, the government contractors, park rangers etc. But by all means, keep supporting the guy who scuttled the deal while playing the victim. Exactly. Correct me if I'm wrong but the Dems in the House and Senate had come to an agreement with their Rep counterparts, only for Donald "I'll sign whatever you give me because you know what you're doing" Trump to throw a wobbly and refuse to sign it. Apparently that's what they call leadership these days Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #58 January 22, 2018 jakee ***>The D are the ones putting illegals ahead of our military, VA, gov contractors, >park rangers etc... And Trump's mental instability just destroyed the deal that both parties agreed to, and that would have funded the military, the VA, the government contractors, park rangers etc. But by all means, keep supporting the guy who scuttled the deal while playing the victim. Exactly. Correct me if I'm wrong but the Dems in the House and Senate had come to an agreement with their Rep counterparts, only for Donald "I'll sign whatever you give me because you know what you're doing" Trump to throw a wobbly and refuse to sign it. Apparently that's what they call leadership these days DEMs Blink...81 to 18 in favor of Funding the Gov until Feb 8 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,827 #59 January 22, 2018 Channman ******>The D are the ones putting illegals ahead of our military, VA, gov contractors, >park rangers etc... And Trump's mental instability just destroyed the deal that both parties agreed to, and that would have funded the military, the VA, the government contractors, park rangers etc. But by all means, keep supporting the guy who scuttled the deal while playing the victim. Exactly. Correct me if I'm wrong but the Dems in the House and Senate had come to an agreement with their Rep counterparts, only for Donald "I'll sign whatever you give me because you know what you're doing" Trump to throw a wobbly and refuse to sign it. Apparently that's what they call leadership these days DEMs Blink...81 to 18 in favor of Funding the Gov until Feb 8Agree that expecting the GOP to honor a promise on anything is absurd, but CHIP got 6 years of funding.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
baronn 111 #60 January 23, 2018 totally agree on the pay freezes. If we as citizens were to pull anything close to this at our jobs, we wude be unemployed. Of course, firing (and jailing) most of these folks wude be more appropriate IMO. However, Trump donates his entire salary Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,827 #61 January 23, 2018 baronntotally agree on the pay freezes. If we as citizens were to pull anything close to this at our jobs, we wude be unemployed. Of course, firing (and jailing) most of these folks wude be more appropriate IMO. However, Trump donates his entire salary Trump's entire salary comes nowhere remotely close to paying for his golf outings at taxpayer expense.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
millertimeunc 0 #62 January 23, 2018 kallend***totally agree on the pay freezes. If we as citizens were to pull anything close to this at our jobs, we wude be unemployed. Of course, firing (and jailing) most of these folks wude be more appropriate IMO. However, Trump donates his entire salary Trump's entire salary comes nowhere remotely close to paying for his golf outings at taxpayer expense. Meh, I think that the "expensive (insert whatever activity) outings" are just a cheap and easy political dig no matter who the president is. Of course his salary doesn't pay for the cost of his leisure activities. His golf outings cost in excess of $15,000 per hour because transporting and protecting the president is expensive. It really doesn't matter what the activity is. A lot of people made a big deal out of Obama's golf outings/vacations/etc. I didn't care about those then, and I don't really care about Trump's golf outings now. There are more important topics which need to be addressed.The best things in life are dangerous. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,351 #63 January 23, 2018 QuoteMeh, I think that the "expensive (insert whatever activity) outings" are just a cheap and easy political dig no matter who the president is. Of course his salary doesn't pay for the cost of his leisure activities. His golf outings cost in excess of $15,000 per hour because transporting and protecting the president is expensive. It really doesn't matter what the activity is. A lot of people made a big deal out of Obama's golf outings/vacations/etc. I didn't care about those then, and I don't really care about Trump's golf outings now. There are more important topics which need to be addressed. The topic of the President being a compulsive liar is more important. He slammed Obama for 8 years for playing golf, on the campaign trail he repeatedly promised that he'd never leave the White House to go on vacation or to the golf course because he'd be doing too much work, and from pretty much the first week of his presidency he's played those who believed him for absolute fools.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,827 #64 January 23, 2018 millertimeunc******totally agree on the pay freezes. If we as citizens were to pull anything close to this at our jobs, we wude be unemployed. Of course, firing (and jailing) most of these folks wude be more appropriate IMO. However, Trump donates his entire salary Trump's entire salary comes nowhere remotely close to paying for his golf outings at taxpayer expense. Meh, I think that the "expensive (insert whatever activity) outings" are just a cheap and easy political dig no matter who the president is. Of course his salary doesn't pay for the cost of his leisure activities. His golf outings cost in excess of $15,000 per hour because transporting and protecting the president is expensive. It really doesn't matter what the activity is. A lot of people made a big deal out of Obama's golf outings/vacations/etc. I didn't care about those then, and I don't really care about Trump's golf outings now. There are more important topics which need to be addressed. "Believe me folks"... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #65 January 23, 2018 Talk about acting right on cue"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 1,086 #66 January 23, 2018 kallend***totally agree on the pay freezes. If we as citizens were to pull anything close to this at our jobs, we wude be unemployed. Of course, firing (and jailing) most of these folks wude be more appropriate IMO. However, Trump donates his entire salary Trump's entire salary comes nowhere remotely close to paying for his golf CART RENTALS at taxpayer expense. Trump Golf Trips Have Cost Nearly $150,000 in Cart Rentals for Secret Service [url] The Secret Service reportedly paid Mar-a-Lago more than $63,000 over a few months for hotel costs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 59 #67 January 23, 2018 I remember when I was in business school back in the '60s there was a saying, the most important decisions are made on the golf course not in the board room.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 59 #68 January 23, 2018 Phil1111 ******totally agree on the pay freezes. If we as citizens were to pull anything close to this at our jobs, we wude be unemployed. Of course, firing (and jailing) most of these folks wude be more appropriate IMO. However, Trump donates his entire salary Trump's entire salary comes nowhere remotely close to paying for his golf CART RENTALS at taxpayer expense. Trump Golf Trips Have Cost Nearly $150,000 in Cart Rentals for Secret Service [url] The Secret Service reportedly paid Mar-a-Lago more than $63,000 over a few months for hotel costs. Economic stimulus from the public to the private sector.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,351 #69 January 23, 2018 RonD1120I remember when I was in business school back in the '60s there was a saying, the most important decisions are made on the golf course not in the board room. "Many Americans, some Democrats and especially Trump supporters, have had it with: · Barack Obama's golf " Hey Ron, would you care to offer an apology to Obama over this comment?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 59 #70 January 23, 2018 jakee***I remember when I was in business school back in the '60s there was a saying, the most important decisions are made on the golf course not in the board room. "Many Americans, some Democrats and especially Trump supporters, have had it with: · Barack Obama's golf " Hey Ron, would you care to offer an apology to Obama over this comment? No need, I had no interest or complaint with Obama's golfing. My complaint was/is with his socialist ideology.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 1,086 #71 January 23, 2018 RonD1120I remember when I was in business school back in the '60s there was a saying, the most important decisions are made on the golf course not in the board room. I've heard that as well. But times have changed since the 70's. "According to the National Golf Foundation, a high of 30.6 million golfers in 2003 had been reduced to 24.7 million by 2014. The number of golfers between ages 18 and 34 has declined by 30 percent over the past 20 years. Millennials are apt to find the game far too slow — five hours or more to finish 18 holes — for their 21st century tastes. They are also typically more open-minded than their elders, and therefore tend to be turned off by the racism, sexism and snobbery that have long been associated with the country club scene. The ultimate result is that more than 800 courses across America have closed in a decade. Some of these courses have become housing developments, others parks, and a few landowners have taken advantage of tax breaks by donating their properties to nature trusts." https://www.denverpost.com/2017/04/22/why-im-happy-that-golf-is-losing-its-popularity/ Playing golf has gone the way of the three-martini lunch — Trump being the exception The meager attendance Herz has noticed isn’t limited to courses in the New York metro area. The entire U.S. golf industry has been experiencing slow growth in participation and club memberships for the past five years, according to data from industry research firm IBISWorld: From 2011 to 2016, golf course and country club revenue grew by little more than 1% annually. And last September, Nike NKE, -1.22% announced that it was ceasing production of golf equipment, focusing instead on golf shoes and apparel. The reason for the transition is to pursue “sustainable profitable growth for Nike Golf,” said Nike brand president Trevor Edwards, in a statement.... “We live in a 24/7 world,” says Gerald Celente, publisher of Kingston, N.Y.-based Trends Journal. “People are working longer and harder just to stay even. It’s a virtual world, and golf has no place in that world.” In addition to its appeal as a leisure activity, playing golf used to be an integral part of climbing the corporate ladder, Celente says, but the practice has gone the way of the “three-martini lunch.” Younger workers have begun to move away from doing business on the golf course or at the steakhouse, instead bringing clients to faster-paced activities like CrossFit. .. Retailers have taken note in the declining popularity of the sport as well. In August 2014, Dick’s Sporting Goods chief executive Ed Stack said in an earnings call that golf was the company’s “most challenging business,” adding that the company would cut down on hiring and store space devoted to the sport. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-golf-has-gone-the-way-of-the-three-martini-lunch-2016-07-13 Better yet, trump is loosing money on his golf investments. Is Donald Trump struggling to find the green with his golf investments? A Reuters examination of them shows that Trump has likely lost millions of dollars on his golf projects. The analysis shows high costs and modest current valuations. Using conservative estimates of the amount Trump has spent, he may be breaking even or making modest gains; on higher estimates – based on what Trump has said he is spending – he’s losing money... On these calculations his golf courses are estimated to be worth $500 million to $600 million. This analysis suggests Trump could have lost hundreds of millions of dollars investing in golf. “The figures indicate that those were bad investments,” said John Griffin, professor of finance at the University of Texas at Austin, who has previously studied Donald Trump’s wealth. He said that a typical listed property fund would have returned much more over the same period. By comparison Trump “seems to have lost half his investment,” he said." https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/trump-golf/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,318 #72 January 23, 2018 Quoteno interest or complaint with Obama's golfingYet you commented on it a couple of times. Being Obama, of course, it wasn't an aid to business decisions. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,351 #73 January 23, 2018 RonD1120******I remember when I was in business school back in the '60s there was a saying, the most important decisions are made on the golf course not in the board room. "Many Americans, some Democrats and especially Trump supporters, have had it with: · Barack Obama's golf " Hey Ron, would you care to offer an apology to Obama over this comment? No need, I had no interest or complaint with Obama's golfing. I was quoting you, Ron. You said it. Are you saying you especially disagree with Trump supporters and many Americans? You ertainly made no indication of that at the time.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,294 #74 January 23, 2018 jakee*********I remember when I was in business school back in the '60s there was a saying, the most important decisions are made on the golf course not in the board room. "Many Americans, some Democrats and especially Trump supporters, have had it with: · Barack Obama's golf " Hey Ron, would you care to offer an apology to Obama over this comment? No need, I had no interest or complaint with Obama's golfing. I was quoting you, Ron. You said it. Are you saying you especially disagree with Trump supporters and many Americans? You ertainly made no indication of that at the time. What Ron really mean is that a black guy shouldn't be on a golf course unless he is carrying the bag for a white guy making important decisions on the course as he was taught in his 60s business classes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 59 #75 January 23, 2018 jakee Are you saying you especially disagree with Trump supporters and many Americans? You ertainly made no indication of that at the time. Are those my words or, was I quoting someone else?Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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