jclalor 12 #1 July 16, 2018 He sided with Putin over all of our intelligence agiencies, including our military intelligence agiencies. He is nothing less than a traitor. How the GOP gets out of this I have no idea If Obama had done the same thing, we would have had an armed uprising in this country. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,379 #2 July 16, 2018 >Trump is a traitor Not to Putin. >How the GOP gets out of this I have no idea "He's not a traitor! He just has an alternative allegiance." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,380 #3 July 16, 2018 John Brennan agrees: https://twitter.com/JohnBrennan/status/1018885971104985093"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 340 #4 July 16, 2018 jclalorHe sided with Putin over all of our intelligence agiencies, including our military intelligence agiencies. He is nothing less than a traitor. How the GOP gets out of this I have no idea If Obama had done the same thing, we would have had an armed uprising in this country.Some have argued that Trump cannot commit obstruction of justice because he is head of the justice department so, by definition, whatever he says goes. Similarly as ultimate head of the intelligence services it might be argued that it is within his powers to override the unanimous findings of a every branch of the intelligence services and accept, as official US policy, whatever lie Putin whispers in his ear. I wonder if they take the same view of treason: as head of state Trump is constitutionally allowed to make whatever policy he wants, even returning Alaska to the Russians, or commanding the armed forces to stand down as Russian tanks roll in Washington's streets. It is truly remarkable the swath of destruction this President is leaving in his wake in service of his monumental narcissism. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #5 July 16, 2018 In the course of my lifetime, I have found when dealing with a person of equal or greater power, it is often to my benefit to start the conversation with a compliment. At least he didn't bow before him like Obama did to the Saudi Prince. But, that's what Muslims do.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,380 #6 July 16, 2018 RonD1120In the course of my lifetime, I have found when dealing with a person of equal or greater power, it is often to my benefit to start the conversation with a compliment. At least he didn't bow before him like Obama did to the Saudi Prince. But, that's what Muslims do. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/05/20/trump-mocked-obama-for-bowing-to-a-saudi-king-and-then-he/"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #7 July 16, 2018 RonD1120In the course of my lifetime, I have found when dealing with a person of equal or greater power, it is often to my benefit to start the conversation with a compliment. At least he didn't bow before him like Obama did to the Saudi Prince. But, that's what Muslims do. Your desperation is obvious, you sir are no patriot. the president just took the word of a KGB spy over all of the intelligence agencies of our country. Your in bed with a traitor. Putin obviously has something over Trump. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,380 #8 July 16, 2018 Statement from former POW John McCain on the behavior of Cadet Bone Spurs today: https://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=press-releases&id=A99FDA26-673D-4560-B4EA-5AEDF0685EC5"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,379 #9 July 16, 2018 >At least he didn't bow before him like Obama did to the Saudi Prince. But, that's what >Muslims do. I guess Trump is a Muslim too, then - since he bowed to Saudi king Salman. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #10 July 16, 2018 RonD1120In the course of my lifetime, I have found when dealing with a person of equal or greater power, it is often to my benefit to start the conversation with a compliment. At least he didn't bow before him like Obama did to the Saudi Prince. But, that's what Muslims do. Un-fucking-believeable, Ron. You're actually making excuses for someone speaking against FACTS and against the United States Government about those FACTS on the international stage."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,379 #11 July 16, 2018 >In the course of my lifetime, I have found when dealing with a person of equal or greater power When you were defending the US from communism when you were younger, did you ever, in your wildest dreams, think that you would someday be defending Russia's attacks against the US - and be claiming that Russia was a "greater power" than the US in order to defend a politician? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #12 July 16, 2018 billvon>In the course of my lifetime, I have found when dealing with a person of equal or greater power When you were defending the US from communism when you were younger, did you ever, in your wildest dreams, think that you would someday be defending Russia's attacks against the US - and be claiming that Russia was a "greater power" than the US in order to defend a politician? Nope, things change.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 340 #13 July 16, 2018 RonD1120***>In the course of my lifetime, I have found when dealing with a person of equal or greater power When you were defending the US from communism when you were younger, did you ever, in your wildest dreams, think that you would someday be defending Russia's attacks against the US - and be claiming that Russia was a "greater power" than the US in order to defend a politician? Nope, things change.Your answer brands you as a traitor. Not much of a surprise, given your long stated wish to tear up the 1st amendment to the Constitution and impose a Christian Taliban on the US. Despite your lip service to fighting communists you have never offered the slightest evidence of understanding the real greatness of the United States, or the vision of the Founding Fathers. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #14 July 16, 2018 RonD1120In the course of my lifetime, I have found when dealing with a person of equal or greater power, it is often to my benefit to start the conversation with a compliment. This is a good point, actually. Because of the weak and pliable nature of Donald Trump, Putin is indeed a person of greater power.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,380 #15 July 16, 2018 Didn't take long for these to show up: "There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,901 #16 July 16, 2018 RonD1120In the course of my lifetime, I have found when dealing with a person of equal or greater power, it is often to my benefit to start the conversation with a compliment. At least he didn't bow before him like Obama did to the Saudi Prince. But, that's what Muslims do. Trump clearly bowed and scraped to Putin today. God knows why. His was very obviously the beta and Putin the Alpha in the press conference. I would not be surprised if Melania delivers Putin's child in 9 months from now. Trump absolutely shamed both himself and your nation.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #17 July 16, 2018 gowlerk***In the course of my lifetime, I have found when dealing with a person of equal or greater power, it is often to my benefit to start the conversation with a compliment. At least he didn't bow before him like Obama did to the Saudi Prince. But, that's what Muslims do. Trump clearly bowed and scraped to Putin today. God knows why. His was very obviously the beta and Putin the Alpha in the press conference. I would not be surprised if Melania delivers Putin's child in 9 months from now. Trump absolutely shamed both himself and your nation. It became very evident today that Putin holds something over Trump. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #18 July 16, 2018 GeorgiaDon******>In the course of my lifetime, I have found when dealing with a person of equal or greater power When you were defending the US from communism when you were younger, did you ever, in your wildest dreams, think that you would someday be defending Russia's attacks against the US - and be claiming that Russia was a "greater power" than the US in order to defend a politician? Nope, things change.Not much of a surprise, given your long stated wish to tear up the 1st amendment to the Constitution and impose a Christian Taliban on the US. Don Seriously???Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #19 July 16, 2018 Other news agencies see it differently. QuotePresident Trump Blames Mueller Probe for Torn Relations with Russia OAN Newsroom UPDATED 7:08 AM PT — Mon. July 16, 2018 President Trump vowed to repair torn relations with Russia, arguing he would rather take a political risk in pursuit of peace than to risk peace in pursuit of politics. http://www.oann.com/president-trump-blames-mueller-probe-for-torn-relations-with-russia/Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,379 #20 July 16, 2018 Wow. Even FOX News is having trouble swallowing this level of treason. Cavuto: Trump was "essentially letting the guy get away with this, not even offering a mild, a mild criticism. That’s what made his performance disgusting. Only way I feel. Not a right or left thing to me. It is wrong.” Hoffman: "Well, there’s been discussion about creating a cybersecurity working group in which the US intelligence community and Russian intelligence services would participate, and I will tell you, at the time, I felt like its like inviting a criminal to come help you solve a crime which the criminal committed. I just don’t see the point of inviting the Russians to help us on something that we know they did." Kilmeade: "That’s by far the most ridiculous tweet of late, and that is insulting to past administrations. He can’t be saying that going into the Russian summit.” (He was commenting on the tweet 'Our relationship with Russia has NEVER been worse thanks to many years of U.S. foolishness and stupidity and now, the Rigged Witch Hunt!') Weinberg: "Putin won. Trump missed the opportunity to call [Russia] out in no uncertain terms. He dodged every opportunity to do it, and he missed a chance he won't get again." Huntsman: "No negotiation is worth throwing your own people and country under the bus." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #21 July 16, 2018 RonD1120Other news agencies see it differently. It's so cute you think that's a news agency. Also, you'll notice they didn't even offer a view of their own, they just paraphrased Trump's comments.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,379 #22 July 16, 2018 >Other news agencies see it differently. Good point. Here's another agency that supports your views. ============================ Does Putin trust Trump now? Pravda.ru YESTERDAY AT 20:51 President Putin said that the relations between Russia and the United States are going through a difficult period of time. Yet, the meeting between the presidents of the two countries was held "in a frank and businesslike atmosphere," Putin said. Russian President Vladimir Putin said during a press conference that the talks with his American counterpart Donald Trump in Helsinki were successful and useful for the two countries. "The talks were held in a frank and businesslike atmosphere. I consider them very successful and useful," Putin said. "It's obvious for everyone that the bilateral relations between the two countries are going through a difficult period of time, but these difficulties have no objective reason. The Cold War is over, and the situation has changed dramatically," Putin said. "In general, we are satisfied with our first full-format meeting. We had a good conversation with President Trump. I hope we understand each other better now." ============================== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,380 #23 July 16, 2018 Damn!This was too much even for a partisan hack like Newt Gingrich! https://twitter.com/newtgingrich/status/1018967261418344450 "There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #24 July 16, 2018 jakee***Other news agencies see it differently. It's so cute you think that's a news agency. Also, you'll notice they didn't even offer a view of their own, .... Real newsLook for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #25 July 16, 2018 billvon>Other news agencies see it differently. Good point. Here's another agency that supports your views. ============================ Does Putin trust Trump now? Pravda.ru YESTERDAY AT 20:51 President Putin said that the relations between Russia and the United States are going through a difficult period of time. Yet, the meeting between the presidents of the two countries was held "in a frank and businesslike atmosphere," Putin said. Russian President Vladimir Putin said during a press conference that the talks with his American counterpart Donald Trump in Helsinki were successful and useful for the two countries. "The talks were held in a frank and businesslike atmosphere. I consider them very successful and useful," Putin said. "It's obvious for everyone that the bilateral relations between the two countries are going through a difficult period of time, but these difficulties have no objective reason. The Cold War is over, and the situation has changed dramatically," Putin said. "In general, we are satisfied with our first full-format meeting. We had a good conversation with President Trump. I hope we understand each other better now." ============================== Good newsLook for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
