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Trump's policy on 'detaining' children

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rushmc

******You mean you're upset that he's doing the same thing that Obama did? I would have never guessed!



Except that Trump was offered a GOP bill today to stop the separating of children from their parents and Trump refused to sign it.

So, I know that won't mean anything to you, but for the more rational people around, it is hard to blame Obama now.

Funny how you single out one aspect of the bill and claim that's the main reason. You're as truthful as Comey is!

He also doesn't need to sign a bill to make it happen, he can just say, "Let's stop doing this" and by the end of this week it will stop.

As far as you blaming Obama? Come the fuck on, man we're half way through his term, it's Trump's fucking horse now. Besides the policy DID change after Obama and Sessions, Kelly, the Texas AD have all been on the air defending the policy.
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BIGUN

******I would rather focus on US Citizens that need help with jobs, social issues. etc. We have enough of our own problems to not be inheriting those of others. Callous? I'm sure many would say so.



It's funny how the same folks that hide behind such sentiment continually resist all efforts to help those in need at home, too. It makes it difficult to infer from their suggestions anything other than the absence of a moral compass.

Just for the record... I can't let this derogatory comment slide. You do not know me well enough to know how many people over the years I've helped. It's literally in the thousands. Life-changing type help.

And, you don;t know anyone on here well enough to challenge their compass while sounding as though you are somehow morally superior.

Well your words were "Callous? I'm sure many would say so."

Setting that aside. in the US economy today there is what economists would call "full employment".

"To economists, full employment means that unemployment has fallen to the lowest possible level that won’t cause inflation. In the U.S., that was thought to be a jobless rate of about 5 percent — above the April rate of 3.9 percent. "
https://www.bloomberg.com/quicktake/full-employment

Furthermore study after study shows the undeniable benefits to a countries economy that immigration brings. Here is one from the George W. Bush institute:

Benefits of Immigration Outweigh the Costs
https://www.bushcenter.org/catalyst/north-american-century/benefits-of-immigration-outweigh-costs.html
from spring 2016

"Immigration fuels the economy. When immigrants enter the labor force, they increase the productive capacity of the economy and raise GDP. Their incomes rise, but so do those of natives. It’s a phenomenon dubbed the “immigration surplus,” and while a small share of additional GDP accrues to natives — typically 0.2 to 0.4 percent "

Why Mass Migration Is Good for Long-Term Economic Growth
https://hbr.org/2017/04/why-mass-migration-is-good-for-long-term-economic-growth

A further study from the Wharton school of business:

"Wharton experts agree that future government immigration policies can have a direct and beneficial fiscal impact on a country’s booming entrepreneurial sector as well as its GDP."
http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/what-migration-can-and-cant-do-for-a-countrys-gdp/

I might discredit the above study however as it is from Wharton. Given that trump managed to skate through his business education at Wharton. It dosn't say much for that school.

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BIGUN

Just for the record... I can't let this derogatory comment slide. You do not know me well enough to know how many people over the years I've helped. It's literally in the thousands. Life-changing type help.



Wait … did you just acknowledge that your own political views are the same amoral views I described?
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I think he’s saying that boxing people up according to a single aspect isn’t giving you a good picture.
Of course, one could say the same thing about all the folks who think Muslims are all evil, or people wearing hoodies thugs, or conservatives closed-minded.

Wendy P.
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wmw999

I think he’s saying that boxing people up according to a single aspect isn’t giving you a good picture.
Of course, one could say the same thing about all the folks who think Muslims are all evil, or people wearing hoodies thugs, or conservatives closed-minded.

Wendy P.



The post to which he replied solely addressed the inconsistent views of those who claim that we need to help Americans first tend to be among those who most strongly resist efforts to help those in need at home. I believe it to be a fair observation.
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So far we have:

- Trump didn't do it
- OK maybe he did do it but it's not that bad
- Obama did it first
- It's the Democrats fault

Now there's a new one:

- We're not really doing it

Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen explains that "illegal aliens [are] fraudulently using children to pose as family units to gain entry into the country." So they're not breaking up families! See, problem solved.

Can't wait to see the next one.

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Nobody knew telling the truth could be so complicated:


“We do not have a policy of separating families at the border, period” Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen tweeted last night.

DHS announced last week that around 2,000 children have been taken from their families during the six weeks since the policy went into effect, and officials acknowledge the number may be even higher.

“It was a simple decision by the administration to have a zero tolerance policy for illegal entry. Period.” President Trump’s top domestic policy adviser, Stephen Miller


“The policy is incredibly complicated, and it is one we need to do a better job of communicating. We've not talked about the history of how we got to this point.”; Marc Short, president’s liaison to Capitol Hill

“Nobody likes seeing babies ripped from their mothers’ arms. As a mother, as a Catholic, as somebody who has got a conscience... I will tell you that nobody likes this policy. . .
This is a congressional law from many years ago. It is a crime to enter this country illegally. So if they don’t like that law, they should change it.”; Kellyanne Conway, counselor to the president

"[Sessions] is not giving the president the best advice. I know President Trump doesn't like the children taken away from their parents. Jeff is not giving the president the best advice!”; Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani

“Mrs. Trump hates to see children separated from their families and hopes both sides of the aisle can finally come together to achieve successful immigration reform,” her spokeswoman, Stephanie Grisham, told CNN. “She believes we need to be a country that follows all laws, but also a country that governs with heart.”


“I don’t think you have to justify it,” Stephen K. Bannon

“I hate the children being taken away. The Democrats have to change their law. That's their law.”; Trump (and of course, it's a lie. He signed off on prosecuting all migrants who cross the border, including those with young children. Once they’re locked up, the administration declares the kids to be unaccompanied minors and turns them over to a division of the Department of Health and Human Services to care for. The White House has also begun interpreting a 1997 legal agreement and a 2008 bipartisan human trafficking bill as requiring the separation of families. Neither George W. Bush or Barack Obama took this posture.

Sessions freely acknowledges that Bush and Obama did not interpret the law the same way that Trump is doing now. “The previous administration wouldn’t prosecute illegal aliens who entered the country with children,”
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This just in from FOX News:

They are (of course) defending this policy. They strenuously object to the characterization that children are put in cages. (See images below.)

"you do see that they have those blankets!" (not sure if it's fair to call a piece of Mylar a blanket but OK)

"OK you do see some fencing but keep in mind that some have referred to them as cages. But keep in mind that this is a great big warehouse facility where they built walls out of chain link fences."

So put your minds at ease. Those aren't kids being detained in cages! Those are kids visiting a warehouse facility where the walls just happen to be made out of chain link fence. It's more like a field trip than an actual detention center!

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There has been a lot of outrage directed at Trump over this policy of separating children from their illegal immigrant parents. All over a policy signed into law in 1996 by BILL CLINTON, a DEMOC-RAT. Oh and that pic of the kids being caged? That is from 2014, when Obama was POTUS.

Man, the liberal bias in here is so bad, it's pathetic. :D

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nolhtairt

There has been a lot of outrage directed at Trump over this policy of separating children from their illegal immigrant parents. All over a policy signed into law in 1996 by BILL CLINTON, a DEMOC-RAT. Oh and that pic of the kids being caged? That is from 2014, when Obama was POTUS.

Man, the liberal bias in here is so bad, it's pathetic. :D



Holy shit, buddy, do you think we should be doing this and should we stop or are you just interested in deflecting blame from Trump? We'll address the second half of that question later, the first part seems a bit more important.
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***There has been a lot of outrage directed at Trump over this policy of separating children from their illegal immigrant parents. All over a policy signed into law in 1996 by BILL CLINTON, a DEMOC-RAT. Oh and that pic of the kids being caged? That is from 2014, when Obama was POTUS.

Man, the liberal bias in here is so bad, it's pathetic. :D



Holy shit, buddy, do you think we should be doing this and should we stop or are you just interested in deflecting blame from Trump? We'll address the second half of that question later, the first part seems a bit more important.

My question is, where was all the outrage when all of this was happening during Obama's time? Thousands more kids were separated under him than under Trump. Obama just kept it quiet, THEN the libtards blow the whistle on Trump with a 2014 picture of kids in a cage. The irony....

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nolhtairt

There has been a lot of outrage directed at Trump over this policy of separating children from their illegal immigrant parents. All over a policy signed into law in 1996 by BILL CLINTON, a DEMOC-RAT. Oh and that pic of the kids being caged? That is from 2014, when Obama was POTUS.

Man, the liberal bias in here is so bad, it's pathetic. :D



You are factually wrong. Again.

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Man, the liberal bias in here is so bad, it's pathetic.



Because of course, you would never share fake news and photos you found on the web just because it supports your politics.:S
Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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jcd11235

***Consider a family in Disneyland.

Family 1 loses their child when the kid runs through a crowd to see the parade. The kid is lost for an hour. Finally a park employee finds him. While they are trying to locate the parents, they keep him in a locked room for a few hours.

Family 2 is in line when park employees come and pull the child out of his mother's arms. They then keep him in a locked room for a few hours while the parents try to get them to release him.

There's a difference between the two - even though they are both basically the same thing (keeping a kid in a locked room.)



Sadly, that level of nuance is lost on many Trump apologists.

What's not lost on Trump supporters is the understanding that you and yours are making up a disaster so that the numbers of the economy and everything else aren't being talked about.

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Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-TX) claimed in an interview Saturday that the Obama administration tried to cover up the number of unaccompanied minors crossing the United States’ southern border.


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it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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rushmc


What's not lost on Trump supporters is the understanding that you and yours are making up a disaster so that the numbers of the economy and everything else aren't being talked about.



OK, tell us about the DEFICIT.

From the non-partisan CBO:
As required by statute, when constructing its baseline projections, CBO incorporates the assumption that current laws governing taxes and spending will generally remain unchanged in future years. Under that assumption, in CBO’s baseline, federal deficits average $1.2 trillion per year and total $12.4 trillion over the 2019–2028 period.

Borrowing $Trillions to make the economy look good is typical Trump. Same shit he pulled with his casinos, and left others holding the bag.
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nolhtairt

******There has been a lot of outrage directed at Trump over this policy of separating children from their illegal immigrant parents. All over a policy signed into law in 1996 by BILL CLINTON, a DEMOC-RAT. Oh and that pic of the kids being caged? That is from 2014, when Obama was POTUS.

Man, the liberal bias in here is so bad, it's pathetic. :D



Holy shit, buddy, do you think we should be doing this and should we stop or are you just interested in deflecting blame from Trump? We'll address the second half of that question later, the first part seems a bit more important.

My question is, where was all the outrage when all of this was happening during Obama's time? Thousands more kids were separated under him than under Trump. Obama just kept it quiet, THEN the libtards blow the whistle on Trump with a 2014 picture of kids in a cage. The irony....

Ok, looks like we're first handling part II "Who would I rather blame because of my politics". I guess that's the ReichWingTard way of doing it.

Anyway, I would really like to know where you get your information. What's your source? What's the law? What's the policy statement?
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wmw999

I think he’s saying that boxing people up according to a single aspect isn’t giving you a good picture.
Of course, one could say the same thing about all the folks who think Muslims are all evil, or people wearing hoodies thugs, or conservatives closed-minded.

Wendy P.



I can't see how this post was anything but a way out of line personal attack on BIGUN based on nothing but ideas pulled out of someone's nether regions. It's just that it's become so common on here now that nobody notices anymore.

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Bob_Church

***I think he’s saying that boxing people up according to a single aspect isn’t giving you a good picture.
Of course, one could say the same thing about all the folks who think Muslims are all evil, or people wearing hoodies thugs, or conservatives closed-minded.

Wendy P.



I can't see how this post was anything but a way out of line personal attack on BIGUN based on nothing but ideas pulled out of someone's nether regions. It's just that it's become so common on here now that nobody notices anymore.

Nonsense, nobody here would ever throw a little shade into their comments. Pshaw! :)
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There has been a lot of outrage directed at Trump over this policy of separating children from their illegal immigrant parents. All over a policy signed into law in 1996 by BILL CLINTON, a DEMOC-RAT. Oh and that pic of the kids being caged? That is from 2014, when Obama was POTUS.



We will add "it's Clinton's fault" to the list of Trump supporter excuses.

Trump didn't do it; he's just a victim of the mean Bill Clinton!

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>Thousands more kids were separated under him than under Trump.

Looks like you swallowed another Breitbart lie - hook, line and sinker. Do you ever get tired of being wrong all the time? It would be simple to prevent; just fact-check.

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I am going to start keeping track of the right wing's excuses for separating kids from their families. Today's new one - they're not kids, they are "hardened adults."

From Chief Border Patrol Agent Rodney Scott today:"People get the picture in their head that it's the kid who lives next door to you and it's not. Some of these kids are hardened adults."

So the list so far:

- Trump didn't do it
- OK maybe he did do it but it's not that bad
- Obama did it first
- Clinton did it first
- It's the Democrat's fault
- The Bible said to do it
- We're not really doing it; they are fake families
- We're not really doing it; they are fake kids
- It's not so bad; those cages are really just warehouse walls that happen to be chain link fence

Anyone want to take any bets on what's next?

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