DBCOOPER 1 #26 January 9, 2018 One disadvantage of the UPT Skyhook is the way the manual is written, especially for the newer skydiver. The only reference of the properly way to route the cutaway cables is in the reserve repack section. If you do the cutaway cable maintenance as referenced in the manual, there is no mention on the proper cable routing thru the collins lanyard, at least in my manual.Replying to: Re: Stall On Jump Run Emergency Procedure? by billvon If the plane is unrecoverable then exiting is a very very good idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pobrause 6 #27 January 9, 2018 As Austro Control is regulated by/ a national Department of EASA it IS tso‘d under EASA and therefore tso‘d under TSO c-23 f in any sense of the word and SIFE confirmed this to me. At least that‘s my understanding of a conversation with the manufacturer. Attached one of their replies in german, can‘t find the mail where Diana mentioned the EASA part atm. ------------------------------------------------------- To absent friends Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadeland 5 #28 January 9, 2018 PobrauseAs Austro Control is regulated by/ a national Department of EASA it IS tso‘d under EASA and therefore tso‘d under TSO c-23 f in any sense of the word and SIFE confirmed this to me. At least that‘s my understanding of a conversation with the manufacturer. Attached one of their replies in german, can‘t find the mail where Diana mentioned the EASA part atm. TSO is a US FAA standard, though other countries adopt its methodologies. It doesn’t look like Sife has a TSO approval from the US FAA (or at least it’s realllly not clear), which would mean you can’t jump it in the us unless you’re a non-US visitor. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deyan 31 #29 January 9, 2018 PobrauseAs Austro Control is regulated by/ a national Department of EASA it IS tso‘d under EASA and therefore tso‘d under TSO c-23 f in any sense of the word and SIFE confirmed this to me. At least that‘s my understanding of a conversation with the manufacturer. Attached one of their replies in german, can‘t find the mail where Diana mentioned the EASA part atm. EASA doesn't regulate the manufacturing of sport parachutes since 2006. I don't care what the manufacturer claims. They do not have an FAA or EASA TSO. Based on the EU law, if it's approved in one of the EU countries, the rest should allowed it too. That's the loophole they are using. Funny times ahead with the Brexit. It can happen that since TS only have the UK approval, some EU countries might ban their products once UK leave the union.... ETA: EASA outsourced the control of certifying skydiving gear for sport use to the local authorities for each country . Only the PEPs are left under EASA's scope! So if Austro Control certified SIFE, that doesn't mean they hold an EASA TSO c23f. ETA 2: To the OP, sorry for changing the subject. My advice has always been, talk to your rigger. He/she is the person that will have to deal with that gear/manufacturer. And don't forget the resale value, because the reality is, you will be selling that rig at some point."My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadeland 5 #30 January 9, 2018 Deyan***As Austro Control is regulated by/ a national Department of EASA it IS tso‘d under EASA and therefore tso‘d under TSO c-23 f in any sense of the word and SIFE confirmed this to me. At least that‘s my understanding of a conversation with the manufacturer. Attached one of their replies in german, can‘t find the mail where Diana mentioned the EASA part atm. EASA doesn't regulate the manufacturing of sport parachutes since 2006. I don't care what the manufacturer claims. They do not have an FAA or EASA TSO. Based on the EU law, if it's approved in one of the EU countries, the rest should allowed it too. That's the loophole they are using. Funny times ahead with the Brexit. It can happen that since TS only have the UK approval, some EU countries might ban their products once UK leave the union.... Does Thomas Sport have an FAA TSO? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skytribe 16 #31 January 9, 2018 shadeland******As Austro Control is regulated by/ a national Department of EASA it IS tso‘d under EASA and therefore tso‘d under TSO c-23 f in any sense of the word and SIFE confirmed this to me. At least that‘s my understanding of a conversation with the manufacturer. Attached one of their replies in german, can‘t find the mail where Diana mentioned the EASA part atm. EASA doesn't regulate the manufacturing of sport parachutes since 2006. I don't care what the manufacturer claims. They do not have an FAA or EASA TSO. Based on the EU law, if it's approved in one of the EU countries, the rest should allowed it too. That's the loophole they are using. Funny times ahead with the Brexit. It can happen that since TS only have the UK approval, some EU countries might ban their products once UK leave the union.... Does Thomas Sport have an FAA TSO? Just from a dim distant memory - Didn't Thomas Sports have a TSO through bilateral airworthiness agreements with Australia or something like that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deyan 31 #32 January 9, 2018 skytribe Just from a dim distant memory - Didn't Thomas Sports have a TSO through bilateral airworthiness agreements with Australia or something like that. There was something indeed. However on the latest rig from them, on the label was written only the UK certificate. The abbreviation FAA wasn't written anywhere!"My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 54 #33 January 10, 2018 Quote Speaking of non-US manufacturers, there's a company (Avalon) out of Bulgaria that does license the SkyHook (no TSO I believe). That's the 5th SkyHook equipped manufacturer that I know about in the sport market. * UPT (designer) * Aerodyne * Sunpath Javelin * Vortex * Avalon Add Czech Republic made container MARS to the list. It does have Skyhook: http://www.marsjev.cz/en/real-x . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,047 #34 January 10, 2018 Hi skydivrek, QuoteMARS to the list. It does have Skyhook Make that 'did.' They have switched to the RAX System. Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 54 #35 January 10, 2018 JerryBaumchenHi skydivrek, QuoteMARS to the list. It does have Skyhook Make that 'did.' They have switched to the RAX System. Jerry Baumchen Thanks fro the update! I did not know that. . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadeland 5 #36 January 10, 2018 PobrauseAs Austro Control is regulated by/ a national Department of EASA it IS tso‘d under EASA and therefore tso‘d under TSO c-23 f in any sense of the word and SIFE confirmed this to me. At least that‘s my understanding of a conversation with the manufacturer. Attached one of their replies in german, can‘t find the mail where Diana mentioned the EASA part atm. I confirmed with Sife, they do not have a USA TSO certification. It cannot be jumped legally in the US by US citizens, though foreign visitors may be able to jump it (though I think the reserve needs to be packed/sealed by a FAA certified rigger) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alexey 6 #37 January 11, 2018 Avalon switched to Pin-type MARD (LES\Boost\Ace...) Looking at fresh Avalon dom 09.17 now.Lexa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadeland 5 #38 January 11, 2018 alexey Avalon switched to Pin-type MARD (LES\Boost\Ace...) Looking at fresh Avalon dom 09.17 now. What's LES? I was going by their website, which still mentions Skyhook. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 54 #39 January 11, 2018 It is a MARD system developed by BASIK and Eric Fradet approx 15 years ago. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alexey 6 #40 January 12, 2018 Not Skyhook for sure :) Lexa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
