Culture of Dishonesty

[kallend 1,623]

airdvr

******That's funny. Trying to identify Trump as a liar in politics is like trying to point out the green M&M in the bowl.

I have a hard time coming up with a precedent for the sheer volume of lies, or the unbridled and pointless stupidity of so many of those lies.

Rather I think what we're seeing is the unscripted version of today's politics. Prior to Trump politicians were very guarded in what they would say, feeding us the massaged version of what they thought we wanted to hear. Same suck, just a filtered version.

Translation: airdvr knows that Trump lies way more than any other president in modern history, but can't bring himself to admit it.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[billvon 2,396]

airdvr

Rather I think what we're seeing is the unscripted version of today's politics. Prior to Trump politicians were very guarded in what they would say, feeding us the massaged version of what they thought we wanted to hear. Same suck, just a filtered version.

Or there's more suck because he sucks more. Occam's Razor.

[wmw999 2,121]

Personally, I want a leader who's smart enough to think and research before speaking, particularly when they're speaking as a leader.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[SkyDekker 1,122]

Most Republicans think colleges are detrimental, so thinking and research are not things appreciated by the average Republican.

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jakee

***No, because I did not vote and do not support him as a spiritual leader. I voted for him because I did not support Hillary Clinton. I say let him do his job and evaluate in 2020.

At this point in Obama's presidency you were comparing him to Karl Marx and Hitler, and stating that he wanted to wage a culture war against the US and put an end to the free market.

Didn't take you 4 years to make up your mind then. What's changed now?

Nothing, as far as I can tell. I am absolutely against socialism and communism.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[airdvr 197]

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Translation: airdvr knows that Trump lies way more than any other president in modern history, but can't bring himself to admit it.

OK...I'll concede that if you concede Chicago is out of control and Black Lives Matter doesn't really care that black on black gun violence accounts for over 70% of all gun violence in the city.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[billvon 2,396]

>Nothing, as far as I can tell. I am absolutely against socialism and communism.

But you support Trump, who has become subservient to Putin. Strange. The cognitive dissonance must be painful.

[RonD1120 58]

SkyDekker

Most Republicans think colleges are detrimental, so thinking and research are not things appreciated by the average Republican.

I disagree, Republicans value education. They hate progressive liberal domination in the institutions of higher learning.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[billvon 2,396]

>I'll concede that if you concede Chicago is out of control . . .

I was in Chicago about 4 months ago for a conference. It was most certainly not "out of control."

>Black Lives Matter doesn't really care that black on black gun violence accounts
>for over 70% of all gun violence in the city.

How do you know that? Have you seen a statement from them stating they don't care?

[gowlerk 1,911]

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I disagree, Republicans value education. They hate progressive liberal domination in the institutions of higher learning.

True, they just have a very hard time with the fact that the more educated a person is the more likely they are to be liberal.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[SkyDekker 1,122]

RonD1120

***Most Republicans think colleges are detrimental, so thinking and research are not things appreciated by the average Republican.

I disagree, Republicans value education. They hate progressive liberal domination in the institutions of higher learning.

Meh, not really

https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/07/10/majority-of-republicans-believe-colleges-and-universities-have-a-negative-impact-on-us/

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SkyDekker

******Most Republicans think colleges are detrimental, so thinking and research are not things appreciated by the average Republican.

I disagree, Republicans value education. They hate progressive liberal domination in the institutions of higher learning.

Meh, not really

https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/07/10/majority-of-republicans-believe-colleges-and-universities-have-a-negative-impact-on-us/

I saw that story. They prefer churches over colleges.

Or to put it another way, ideology over education and critical thinking. An uneducated electorate will generally vote more republican.

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[RonD1120 58]

You are both agreeing with me.

It is not the education; it is the liberalism.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 58]

billvon

>Nothing, as far as I can tell. I am absolutely against socialism and communism.

But you support Trump, who has become subservient to Putin. Strange. The cognitive dissonance must be painful.

You love that term.

There is no evidence to support your claim. I don't believe Poland believes your statement. Obama sucked up to him, that is on video.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[gowlerk 1,911]

RonD1120

You are both agreeing with me.

It is not the education; it is the liberalism.

I know. Education will do that. It encourages critical thinking and critical thinking encourages liberalism. It's a viscous cycle. Some people manage to hang on to their conservatism, but only the truly dedicated ones. The next thing you know they start talking about progress. Then before you know it they might become progressive. Now, if only they could stay motivated to vote......

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

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RonD1120

***>Nothing, as far as I can tell. I am absolutely against socialism and communism.

But you support Trump, who has become subservient to Putin. Strange. The cognitive dissonance must be painful.

You love that term.

There is no evidence to support your claim. I don't believe Poland believes your statement. Obama sucked up to him, that is on video.

No evidence? Really?

Your denial of things that conflict with your beliefs is rather obvious to anyone.
Anyone else that is.

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airdvr

That's funny. Trying to identify Trump as a liar in politics is like trying to point out the green M&M in the bowl.

Gotta love how trump supporters rationalize their support now that most of the talking points have lost their value. Just pretend every politician is a piece of shit and it's not wrong to support him.

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gowlerk

I know. Education will do that. It encourages critical thinking and critical thinking encourages liberalism. It's a viscous cycle.

The majority of professors are far-left/liberal - about 60%. However, their influence isn't as great as you say.

About 50% of freshmen students identify as moderate, 30% liberal, 20% conservative.

Here's an article from Washpo that I know a reasonable guy like you will appreciate:

"The dramatic shift among college professors that’s hurting students’ education:"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/01/11/the-dramatic-shift-among-college-professors-thats-hurting-students-education/?utm_term=.dd3449fb9013

"numbers suggest that professors' liberal tilt does have some impact on their students' ideology, but not much.

The proportion of students who characterized their political views as liberal or far left increased 9.2 percentage points from freshman to senior year.

Among the college class of 2009, 39.1 percent identified as liberals, 38.5 percent called themselves moderates, and 22.5 percent said they were conservatives. While more liberal and less conservative than the general public, the seniors were also considerably less liberal and more conservative than the people who taught them.

American politics seems to work best when the two main factions are animated by rigorous thinking and serious ideas. And if there's no home for conservative ideas at today's colleges, it stands to reason that our political discourse will be poorer for it."

Now's ze time on shprockets ven we donce:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHZR9SA5pOg

That's all the time I have, untill next time - Auf Wiedersehen!

[gowlerk 1,911]

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About 50% of freshmen students identify as moderate, 30% liberal, 20% conservative.

That sounds like a healthy mix to me.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[kallend 1,623]

correcceo

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I know. Education will do that. It encourages critical thinking and critical thinking encourages liberalism. It's a viscous cycle.

The majority of professors are far-left/liberal - about 60%.

The majority of professors have IQ above 120 too; most of them well above. Did you have a point to make?

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[SkyDekker 1,122]

RonD1120

You are both agreeing with me.

It is not the education; it is the liberalism.

Actually no. The blaze article is much more focussed on the costs and the pay off.

[billvon 2,396]

Speaking of this sort of culture -

Jared Kushner suddenly "remembered" over 100 foreign contacts he had over the past few years that he "forgot" to mention when getting his top secret clearance.

Can you imagine what would happen to an ordinary American if he tried to get a security clearance, then later admitted that he "forgot" to mention over 100 times when he met with foreign officials?

[wmw999 2,121]

Those foreigners all look alike; it's easy to forget which ones you met with.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[kallend 1,623]

“There’s no question that Donald Trump has lied flagrantly and almost pathologically his entire life. For good parts of his life, he’s been insulated from the consequences of doing that.”; Timothy L. O’Brien, author of the Trump biography “TrumpNation”

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kallend

“There’s no question that Donald Trump has lied flagrantly and almost pathologically his entire life. For good parts of his life, he’s been insulated from the consequences of doing that.”; Timothy L. O’Brien, author of the Trump biography “TrumpNation”

Like duh! The US founding fathers in their ...failure.. to get the constitution right. Gave the president the right to issue a pardon to anyone. He could have already pardoned his whole family for the ongoing worldwide cash grab. Pardoned all his Russian cohorts.

So the worst is impeachment. Consequences???