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Ya... You conveniently left out Ted's apology. Classy.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/06/17/ted-nugent-once-said-obama-should-suck-on-my-machine-gun-now-he-wants-to-tone-down-the-hateful-rhetoric/?utm_term=.ec611a07b686

And no it's not a lie. I can't have a conversation with anyone on the left, oh say, about securing the southern boarder to stop the cartels from bring in drugs without being called a racist. The next thing usually said to me is "you don't want to stop drugs, your racist!"

Your a special kind of person if you think I'm imagining being called a racist. The word "racist" does have a very distinct sound to it and does tend to stick out in a conversation. And yes, I do get upset when I am constantly being called a racist.

How about you? Do you get upset when people constantly call you a commie fascist, you commie fascist?:ph34r:

Of course, I didn't call you a commie fascist, your just imagining it...:ph34r:

Maybe one day we'll be able to have an honest conversation in this country between left and right politicians with out the right being called racist... That day isn't today. To much liberal smugness.

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Ya... You conveniently left out Ted's apology. Classy.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/...m_term=.ec611a07b686



First, that's because the number of apologies contained in that story for threatening to kill Obama was zero. Read it again, he did not apologise. The only thing he apologised for was calling Obama a subhuman mongrel (and you say he's not a racist? Classy!). when it comes to calling for murder, he simply said he wasn't going to do to anymore (which reminds me, I have a bridge for sale. Interested?).

Second, even if he had apologised, he first threatened to kill Obama ten years ago. Are you seriously saying you have no problem with him propagating this rhetoric for ten years just because he now says he wont do it anymore? In which case, why are you mad at any of the fringe liberals who are talking about Trump? Surely you shoud be waiting until 2027 to see if they're still doing it before deciding whether it was ever a problem?

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Maybe one day we'll be able to have an honest conversation in this country between left and right politicians with out the right being called racist... That day isn't today.



Yeah, too much defending of overt racists like Nugent.
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Are you really that weak?

Anger issues, it is the nature of alcoholic recovery. That is the way we turn to God (as we understand Him) and have support groups.

That was then, now I have the victory. I have a peace through Jesus Christ that surpasses all understanding. It is a process of learning. It does not happen over night.
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Yeah, too much defending of overt racists like Nugent.



Keeping this post short. Happy Fathers day!

But yes, this right here sums up everything. You don't know him, but you label him a racist anyway. And this is done because he disagrees with Obama (rather strongly on a couple of subjects, I might add, and doesn't mince words about it...:ph34r:)

But these racial politics are the core of left wing hate, and unless they can stop calling everyone that disagrees with them "racist" we're going to get more hate and violence.

I'm sad to say it, but on the current course, civil war is inevitable..... Thanks Jakee!!!!:ph34r:
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Yeah, too much defending of overt racists like Nugent.



Keeping this post short. Happy Fathers day!

But yes, this right here sums up everything. You don't know him, but you label him a racist anyway. And this is done because he disagrees with Obama (rather strongly on a couple of subjects, I might add, and doesn't mince words about it...:ph34r:)

But these racial politics are the core of left wing hate, and unless they can stop calling everyone that disagrees with them "racist" we're going to get more hate and violence.

I'm sad to say it, but on the current course, civil war is inevitable..... Thanks Jakee!!!!:ph34r:

You keep inserting race into the consideration of a political ideological attack.

The shooter an older white man, his political support was for a older white man and most of the victims were white men.

Continue with the fallacious stretches of ideology to justify a fantasy of the gun carrying survivalists. Who have never seen a government worth a cent in support.

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But yes, this right here sums up everything. You don't know him, but you label him a racist anyway. And this is done because he disagrees with Obama (rather strongly on a couple of subjects, I might add, and doesn't mince words about it...:ph34r:)

But these racial politics are the core of left wing hate, and unless they can stop calling everyone that disagrees with them "racist" we're going to get more hate and violence.

I'm sad to say it, but on the current course, civil war is inevitable..... Thanks Jakee!!!!:ph34r:



I would think that calling a black man a "subhuman mongrel" is racist.

I can't see it as anything else.

Disagreeing with someone is one thing. Using blatant racial slurs when doing so is another.
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But yes, this right here sums up everything. You don't know him, but you label him a racist anyway. And this is done because he disagrees with Obama (rather strongly on a couple of subjects, I might add, and doesn't mince words about it...:ph34r:)



It is done because Nugent constantly calls black people niggers, and called half black half white Obama a subhuman mongrel. Do you disagree that this is overt racism? If so, there's nothing more to say to you, enjoy your fantasy world.

If not, is your argument that Nugent might not be a racist, he just plays one on tv? In that case, right back at ya - you don't personally know any of the liberals you're accusing of hate mongering, therefore you don't know that they mean it, therefore there's no problem.

And yes, this really does sum everything up. You refuse to accept any reasonable criticism of Nugent because he is on the same side of the aisle as you. You pretend that calling an overt racist a racist is a political ploy because it fits your preconceived notion that all accusations of racism are purely politically motivated. You're blinded by partisanship and unable rationally address the issues you're ranting about.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Here you go. An on topic reality check that talks about what you are fearing and confirms some of what you are feeling. As usual this truly straight on look at the events of the day comes from....NPR.

http://www.npr.org/2017/06/16/533255619/fact-check-is-left-wing-violence-rising
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Here you go. An on topic reality check that talks about what you are fearing and confirms some of what you are feeling. As usual this truly straight on look at the events of the day comes from....NPR.

http://www.npr.org/2017/06/16/533255619/fact-check-is-left-wing-violence-rising



""In the past 10 years when you look at murders committed by domestic extremists in the United States of all types, right-wing extremists are responsible for about 74 percent of those murders," Pitcavage says."

From story.

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""In the past 10 years when you look at murders committed by domestic extremists in the United States of all types, right-wing extremists are responsible for about 74 percent of those murders," Pitcavage says."



Didn't see a link to back that up anywhere in the story....would love to have it.
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""In the past 10 years when you look at murders committed by domestic extremists in the United States of all types, right-wing extremists are responsible for about 74 percent of those murders," Pitcavage says."



Didn't see a link to back that up anywhere in the story....would love to have it.



Just be certain you understand that's not the reporter's issue. He's quoting Pitcavage, a research fellow at the Anti-Defamation League's Center on Extremism.

Now, sure, it would have been nice for reporter to have provided a link to the ADL web site and specific research, but at a certain point a reporter can't footnote every word every person says he's quoting in a story. At a certain point, we sort of let the responsibility for the words rest on the person who said them, and my guess is in normal conversations with people you don't provide a link to every statement you make either.

The question really becomes one of trust. Sure, trust, but verify. However, if you're going to do require every phrase every expert utters by linked so you can check it, then what is the actual point of having experts in the first place?

Check the stuff. Sure. I get that.

Requiring a link for every statement? That's maybe going a little overboard. That's like asking your pilot to see he math when he tells you he's bucking a headwind and you're going to be arriving a little late. At some point, you have to take them at their word a little bit.

That said, here's a document written by the ADL a couple of years ago so it's not tainted by the events of the last couple of weeks.

https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/documents/assets/pdf/combating-hate/Murder-and-Extremism-in-the-United-States-in-2015-web.pdf
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The question really becomes one of trust. Sure, trust, but verify. However, if you're going to do require every phrase every expert utters by linked so you can check it, then what is the actual point of having experts in the first place?



When arguing with die-hard Trump supporters who think everything going against him or right wingers is "fake news", it's good to have your ducks lined up. Had I posted such an article without a link to back it up, it would be laughed off as either fake news or an opinion piece.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

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***But yes, this right here sums up everything. You don't know him, but you label him a racist anyway. And this is done because he disagrees with Obama (rather strongly on a couple of subjects, I might add, and doesn't mince words about it...:ph34r:)



It is done because Nugent constantly calls black people niggers, and called half black half white Obama a subhuman mongrel. Do you disagree that this is overt racism? If so, there's nothing more to say to you, enjoy your fantasy world.

If not, is your argument that Nugent might not be a racist, he just plays one on tv? In that case, right back at ya - you don't personally know any of the liberals you're accusing of hate mongering, therefore you don't know that they mean it, therefore there's no problem.

And yes, this really does sum everything up. You refuse to accept any reasonable criticism of Nugent because he is on the same side of the aisle as you. You pretend that calling an overt racist a racist is a political ploy because it fits your preconceived notion that all accusations of racism are purely politically motivated. You're blinded by partisanship and unable rationally address the issues you're ranting about.

Are you sure he uses the N-word all the time? Or did you just here that from an un-named CNN source?:ph34r:

I can say that I have seen him give more to wounded veterans with out any consideration for race, sex, religion, or sexual orientation than any other person I have seen.

But I won't deny some of the inflammatory shit he has said either.

There is a reason why psychologists have said it is unethical to give a diagnosis on a person from TV interviews and sound bites. I suggest you digest that for a while...

Meanwhile, a song to pass the time....:ph34r:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU33U-i7Vv8
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******But yes, this right here sums up everything. You don't know him, but you label him a racist anyway. And this is done because he disagrees with Obama (rather strongly on a couple of subjects, I might add, and doesn't mince words about it...:ph34r:)



It is done because Nugent constantly calls black people niggers, and called half black half white Obama a subhuman mongrel. Do you disagree that this is overt racism? If so, there's nothing more to say to you, enjoy your fantasy world.

If not, is your argument that Nugent might not be a racist, he just plays one on tv? In that case, right back at ya - you don't personally know any of the liberals you're accusing of hate mongering, therefore you don't know that they mean it, therefore there's no problem.

And yes, this really does sum everything up. You refuse to accept any reasonable criticism of Nugent because he is on the same side of the aisle as you. You pretend that calling an overt racist a racist is a political ploy because it fits your preconceived notion that all accusations of racism are purely politically motivated. You're blinded by partisanship and unable rationally address the issues you're ranting about.

Are you sure he uses the N-word all the time? Or did you just here that from an un-named CNN source?:ph34r:

I can say that I have seen him give more to wounded veterans with out any consideration for race, sex, religion, or sexual orientation than any other person I have seen.

But I won't deny some of the inflammatory shit he has said either.

There is a reason why psychologists have said it is unethical to give a diagnosis on a person from TV interviews and sound bites. I suggest you digest that for a while...

Meanwhile, a song to pass the time....:ph34r:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU33U-i7Vv8

https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2014/02/21/here-are-13-other-repugnant-comments-ted-nugent/198174

https://www.buzzfeed.com/tamerragriffin/trump-palin-nugent-kid-rock?utm_term=.sv3YOklOP8#.cxrvra3rYO

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/04/why_donald_trump_invited_a_racist_celebrity_to_the_white_house.html

Meanwhile the right wing fascists have been busy:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-danger-of-confronting-islamophobia-to-its-face_us_5947330ee4b024b7e0df4d6d

"He was saying 'I wanna kill more people, I wanna kill more Muslims'," Aidroos told BBC TV. He said he had helped tackle and detain the driver while other witnesses said the imam had stepped in to ensure the man was not harmed.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-security-idUSKBN19A016

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First, Nazi stands for "National Socialist Workers Party"



Thank you.

Posting this instantly identifies you as having no idea what you are talking about. It's a very handy tell.

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Second, Nazis were Fascists. Fascists, by traditional definition, used laws, regulations, and violent force to shut down opposing ideas and views and make everyone get on board with their program. (Liberals have changed the definition to mean anyone that they disagree with, so they can use violence to shut down their opposing view)



What colour is the sky in your world? I mean, you're a guy who doesn't know that Julius Caesar is a Shakespeare play, with something of a message about political violence, nor that the play was staged previously with a bit of a skewer at President Obama. But I guess you thin-skinned snowflakes don't get it.

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Third, your argument is the very point I was making above. Ted Nugent walked back the thing (not even plural) that he said about obama. Most of his other rants were on defending his rights, but you don't see that do you? Your so brain washed by leftist group thing you can't.



The things, plural, he said about various politicians, are reprehensible, but not as strange as how a coward who shit himself to dodge being drafted, and who basically is a pedophile winds up being a public figure to the GOP. Nugent's 15 minutes were up a long time ago, and it baffles me that he is still getting press. It's not as though he's ever said anything insightful or worthwhile.

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Every criticism of Obama or speaking out on his policies is proof of racisms, isn't it? Go ahead and say it. Any idea from the right is racist. Apply what ever mental gymnastics needed to get there, that way you can justify your violence. Doesn't righteous hate feel so good? It's the self righteousness that really does it.



Something something protest too much.

I mean, why would people think everything from the right is racist? I mean, gerrymandering isn't racist, right? Attacking people's right to vote isn't racist. The school-to-prison pipeline isn't racist. Etc etc etc.

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Civil war is coming sooner than expected I guess....



Only in the delusional fantasies of right wing nuts.

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Seriously?

The violence and hatred is far more prevalent on the right than on the left.

For every example you list, there are probably 10 or more incidents where right wing extremists attacked minorities. The murders in Portland are a pretty good example.

While Snoop Dogg & Kathy Griffin have done some pretty ugly (and stupid) stuff, what about Ted Nugent?



Ted has since swore off all ugly hate speech espousing violence.

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***Seriously?

The violence and hatred is far more prevalent on the right than on the left.

For every example you list, there are probably 10 or more incidents where right wing extremists attacked minorities. The murders in Portland are a pretty good example.

While Snoop Dogg & Kathy Griffin have done some pretty ugly (and stupid) stuff, what about Ted Nugent?



Ted has since swore off all ugly hate speech espousing violence.

Great. I hope he is sincere and actually follows through.

That doesn't change what he did in the past, though.

All the hateful, violent, racist garbage he put out.

And it doesn't change how many folks cheered him on when he did it.
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I don't know if you are intentionally misleading, or you actually believe these quotes are an equivalent to the left wing hate.


No, quotes like that lead to right wing hate. And once hate crimes become the norm you are going to see the same from both sides.

Have you wondered why the number of anti-muslim hate groups has grown by almost 200% in the past year? Or why the number of right wing hate groups has broken the 900 barrier? Or who so many white supremacist groups are hailing Trump as their new hope? I suspect you haven't, or rejected any such stats as "fake news" or some such. That led to an increase in right wing hate crimes, which you also dowplayed. Now it's leading to left wing hate crimes, and you are saying "how could this have happened?"

The rest of us saw it coming months ago; we saw the signs that you ignored - and were warning people when Trump first started calling for violence. Do catch up.
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She even had the fore sight to ask when will this stop.


When people like Trump stop pushing it, endorsing it and defending it.

When people stop supporting candidates that advocate for and defend violence.

When people like yourself stop making excuses for right wing hate attacks, only to become furious when the same thing happens on the left.

When people reject ALL violence, even when it originates within their demographic, political party or religion.

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Are you sure he uses the N-word all the time? Or did you just here that from an un-named CNN source



Read this, genuinely read through it, then we'll see if you've got the balls to come back and apologise for trying to pretend that the man isn't a overt racist, or if you're too weaselly to ever admit when you're wrong.

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There is a reason why psychologists have said it is unethical to give a diagnosis on a person from TV interviews and sound bites.



You say, in a thread in which you claim to be able to diagnose the fact that the entire democrat base is infected by spreading hatred of the right, based on a few isolated quotes by fringe groups.

Dude, you're so far down the rabbit hole you don't even realise there's a world outside it.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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