Alexandria Shooting: Shot heard around the world? [On Topic]

[gowlerk 1,901]

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I cant call the shooter a wako i don't know enough about him.

What he has done makes him a wacko. That's enough. it is not a sane thing to do.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[nolhtairt 0]

Iago

I don't believe it means anything in the larger picture.

The big difference is the media will have to stop specifically labeling a few people caught on video behaving badly as 'Trump Supporters.'

Particularly so since a Sanders supporter actually tried to kill an elected MOC. And before anyone brings up Giffords, Jared was insane. This new shooter was sane enough to run a business.

He was also sane enough to decide to drive out to Alexandria in March and live out of his car a couple blocks away from the ball park and YMCA, apparently casing the place out. He knew the tradition of the annual ball game.

[billvon 2,379]

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Not trying to argue that everything that the left has been saying is right, wrong, or indifferent, but this guy has had the opportunity to consume a steady diet of hate. No matter how righteous everyone may think it is, hate is still hate.

Agreed. And we have a president who openly advocated violence during the election. That has an effect.

[SkyDekker 1,120]

I find it a little rich that the party that elected Donald Trump is now lamenting how political discourse isn't civilized anymore.

[normiss 620]

He also has enough domestic violence issues with the law in his past that he should never have access to a weapon.

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nolhtairt

He was also sane enough to decide to drive out to Alexandria in March and live out of his car a couple blocks away from the ball park and YMCA, apparently casing the place out. He knew the tradition of the annual ball game.

I guess we have a different definition of "sane."

Just because a person can make a plan of some sort, doesn't mean he's "sane."

Other people who have made plans but were clearly insane might include, Ted Kaczynski.

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[billvon 2,379]

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He was also sane enough to decide to drive out to Alexandria in March and live out of his car a couple blocks away from the ball park and YMCA, apparently casing the place out.

It is, in general, a mistake to think of the insane as gibbering, dysfunctional loons.

Plenty of people who have been judged legally insane (i.e. not guilty by reason of insanity) present as normal people, and much of the rest of their lives are quite unremarkable. I was recently a juror on a case where someone who had been ruled a "mentally disordered offender" was trying to get released. And from the people who worked with him every day we got a picture of someone who was _relatively_ normal - who, for five years or so, lived a pretty normal life. However his schizoaffective disorder, amplified by drug and alcohol use, rendered him unable to make rational decisions when off his meds and under stress.

To the original point, it's a mistake to think that the acts of one insane person represent any larger movement.

[gowlerk 1,901]

Legal insanity is not what I was talking about. That is a bar that moves around from jurisdiction and era at the whim of legislators. When I talk about a lone wacko I simply mean that he is an individual who almost all normal people will not copy. He is not going to inspire any groups to rise up and follow him.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[billvon 2,379]

>Legal insanity is not what I was talking about. That is a bar that moves around from
>jurisdiction and era at the whim of legislators.

All definitions of insanity are "whim based."

>When I talk about a lone wacko I simply mean that he is an individual who almost all
>normal people will not copy.

Agreed there.

[coreceo 0]

jgoose71

I'm pretty sure everyone has noticed the state of politics now a days, especially the amount of hate being spewed.

This is exactly what has caused this. For the most part, the majority of liberals and conservatives work together on a daily basis and get along just fine. It's not until we go home and troll the internet that we find so much hate/discontent. It's just meaningless entertainment - a way to pass the time - yet we still take that displaced anger to the polls, or even worse, to the streets and kill someone over some political bullshit that doesn't even directly affect our lives. . .

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coreceo

***I'm pretty sure everyone has noticed the state of politics now a days, especially the amount of hate being spewed.

This is exactly what has caused this. For the most part, the majority of liberals and conservatives work together on a daily basis and get along just fine. It's not until we go home and troll the internet that we find so much hate/discontent. It's just meaningless entertainment - a way to pass the time - yet we still take that displaced anger to the polls, or even worse, to the streets and kill someone over some political bullshit that doesn't even directly affect our lives. . .
I think it speaks to the lack of awareness/education of the voting public. We live in a world where the VAST majority of voters get their news from pulled quotes, headlines, sound bites and tweets/FB posts. While that's fine for a general awareness of what's going on (exception: the fake news being spewed the past couple of years), it is NOT good enough for a decision-making process by which to vote intelligently on these issues. Sound bites and social media posts in particular get us into trouble because the amount of supplemental information can be so controlled that it's nearly impossible to get the whole picture of an issue. From there, it's an easy jump to a black/white opinion (totally right/everyone will die) on these issues. That sows fear, which leads to hate.

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billvon

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Not trying to argue that everything that the left has been saying is right, wrong, or indifferent, but this guy has had the opportunity to consume a steady diet of hate. No matter how righteous everyone may think it is, hate is still hate.

Agreed. And we have a president who openly advocated violence during the election. That has an effect.

Since this is a pretty general statement, I'm just going to assume that you were talking about these quotes that you put in another thread....
http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4850381#4850381

I don't know if you are intentionally misleading, or you actually believe these quotes are an equivalent to the left wing hate. I haven't sourced them all, but I recognize most of those quotes from his rallies. They were responses from left wing agitators attacking rally goers in an attempt to shut down free speech.

I think that is a little different than people who are being attacked solely on their beliefs.... which is what the agitators were doing at the Trump rallies to solicit this response....

Lauren Southern (yes, right wing, but main stream media which is now the propaganda arm of the democratic party would never cover this, or even ask these questions...) laid out the time lines of all of this pretty well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0f6tDoP5Fw

She even had the fore sight to ask when will this stop.

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[yoink 321]

Why do you and rush insist on stating 'left-wing hate' at every opportunity?

It's lazy and disingenuous.

There are people in the left wing who hate the government I'm sure, Just as there were people in the right who hated the last one. That doesn't mean that that entire demographic 'hates'.

There are fucking idiots on both sides. Try not to paint everybody with the same brush.

[RonD1120 58]

Profiling is a solidly determined tactic for survival. It is the basis for designing personal camouflage. Color them all the same, then seek out individuals.

HBP catalyst not intentional, just breathe.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[yoink 321]

If you choose to live your life by lumping everyone together into extremely simplistic groups that you can profile that's your lookout. Particularly complex political groups which cross ages, genders, race and religion demographics.

It explains why so many of your conclusions are erroneous, in my opinion. You're extrapolating the behaviors of the many from the few which is EXACTLY the opposite of how it should be done.

I stand by my opinion that it's lazy at best, disingenuous and ignorant at worst.

[RonD1120 58]

I'm OK with that. I am in a safe place for the time being. If forced to live in the progressive liberal wilderness again, I may have to change survival strategies. I certainly had to make many unwanted and unwarranted compromises in the past. I survived only by the grace of God.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[chutem 0]

yoink

If you choose to live your life by lumping everyone together into extremely simplistic groups that you can profile that's your lookout. Particularly complex political groups which cross ages, genders, race and religion demographics.

It explains why so many of your conclusions are erroneous, in my opinion. You're extrapolating the behaviors of the many from the few which is EXACTLY the opposite of how it should be done.

I stand by my opinion that it's lazy at best, disingenuous and ignorant at worst.

This is kind of like how Trump voters are lumped together.

[wolfriverjoe 1,339]

chutem

***If you choose to live your life by lumping everyone together into extremely simplistic groups that you can profile that's your lookout. Particularly complex political groups which cross ages, genders, race and religion demographics.

It explains why so many of your conclusions are erroneous, in my opinion. You're extrapolating the behaviors of the many from the few which is EXACTLY the opposite of how it should be done.

I stand by my opinion that it's lazy at best, disingenuous and ignorant at worst.

This is kind of like how Trump voters are lumped together.

All Trump voters voted for Trump.

The demographics on them are rather clear cut.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

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[yoink 321]

Precisely.

I don't say 'all Republicans / Conservatives are x because of Trump voters' but I can say 'all Trump voters are x because of Trump voters.'

[chutem 0]

You can say that all you want, Trump voters are still individuals and the actions of some Trump voters do not represent all Trump voters.

[jakee 1,254]

RonD1120

I certainly had to make many unwanted and unwarranted compromises in the past. I survived only by the grace of God.

Are you really that weak?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jgoose71 0]

yoink

Why do you and rush insist on stating 'left-wing hate' at every opportunity?

It's lazy and disingenuous.

There are people in the left wing who hate the government I'm sure, Just as there were people in the right who hated the last one. That doesn't mean that that entire demographic 'hates'.

There are fucking idiots on both sides. Try not to paint everybody with the same brush.

It's not lazy and disingenuous. Hate has consumed the base of the left and is spreading through the liberals and the democratic party.

First, they call us "Racist, sexist, homophobe, xenophobe Nazis" so they can dehumanize us and look down on us. Most of all it justifies their hate.

Then right before Trumps inauguration CNN runs a "What if Trump was Assassinated" peace... just to show the transfer of power.... depending on the time he was assassinated... for information purposes only...

Then Celebrities like Madonna and Ashley Judd get up and say crap about blowing up the white house...

Snoop Dog puts out a video of Trump being shot.

Liberals run "Ceasar" in a new york park only it's Trump being assassinated.

A Dystopian play called "Building the Wall" has been put on by a New York Theater company and is making it's way around the country.

Main stream Media has ignored any good that Trump may have done, with 94% of all Trump stories designed to undermine his presidency.

Now, because of the painting of anyone on the right as a bad person, and the dehumanizing of them, along with the changing of tone from upholding the liberal cause to a more militant "Resist" like the left is somehow under a violent attack, they have justified the use of violence.

You now have leftist groups like "Antifa", "BAMN" and the "John Brown Militia" forming to violently suppress free speech. They can "Bash the Fash" and "Punch a Nazi" and shut down any speech they don't like on college campuses just by threatening violence.

And now with this shooting we actually have some left wing hateful idiots living out their "Kill Trump" fantasy.

After the shooting you now have a democratic strategist who has started the hastags #huntrepublicans and #huntrebuplicancongressmen. Other popular twitter feeds talks about killing republicans as self defense.

So yes, try to ignore it, the democratic party and liberals are becoming the party of hate.

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If you choose to live your life by lumping everyone together into extremely simplistic groups that you can profile that's your lookout. Particularly complex political groups which cross ages, genders, race and religion demographics.

Wow, project much?

First off, I'm lumping everyone on the left together. I know that there are still moderate liberals out there. But you better wake up and see the hate that is spreading through the left. Yes, it is a movement and it is spreading. Your party can still stop it... if you choose...

But most off I find this statement of yours very hypocritical. When ever we try to explain to the hate mongers on the left that we see differences in people, (not everyone here from a foreign country is here illegally, not every illegal is a criminal, not every Muslim believes in sharia law...) our statements get ignored.

I know this is done so that way extreme leftists (and most of the moderate left to, as seen in the main stream media) so they can paint us as evil people, and thusly justify their violence.

Maybe liberals should start speaking out to their extremist base and get them to cool down, since they are supposedly different and have different views. Get them to chill before the guys on the right get sick and tired of getting hit on the head with bike locks (Google Eric Clampton if you don't know that story) or falsely labeling people as white nationalist and then sucker punching them (richard spencer). If they don't, shits gonna get real.

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[wolfriverjoe 1,339]

Seriously?

The violence and hatred is far more prevalent on the right than on the left.

For every example you list, there are probably 10 or more incidents where right wing extremists attacked minorities. The murders in Portland are a pretty good example.

While Snoop Dogg & Kathy Griffin have done some pretty ugly (and stupid) stuff, what about Ted Nugent? What about all the hate directed at Obama?
Trump used the hatred directed at Obama very shrewdly, tapping into all the suppressed racism, bigotry and hatred and gathering the support of those types.

Many on the right are called "Racist, sexist, homophobe, xenophobe Nazis" because that's what they are.

Not all Trump supporters are Nazis, but most Nazis are Trump supporters.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

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wolfriverjoe

Seriously?

The violence and hatred is far more prevalent on the right than on the left.

For every example you list, there are probably 10 or more incidents where right wing extremists attacked minorities. The murders in Portland are a pretty good example.

While Snoop Dogg & Kathy Griffin have done some pretty ugly (and stupid) stuff, what about Ted Nugent? What about all the hate directed at Obama?
Trump used the hatred directed at Obama very shrewdly, tapping into all the suppressed racism, bigotry and hatred and gathering the support of those types.

Many on the right are called "Racist, sexist, homophobe, xenophobe Nazis" because that's what they are.

Not all Trump supporters are Nazis, but most Nazis are Trump supporters.

First, Nazi stands for "National Socialist Workers Party"

Second, Nazis were Fascists. Fascists, by traditional definition, used laws, regulations, and violent force to shut down opposing ideas and views and make everyone get on board with their program. (Liberals have changed the definition to mean anyone that they disagree with, so they can use violence to shut down their opposing view)

Third, your argument is the very point I was making above. Ted Nugent walked back the thing (not even plural) that he said about obama. Most of his other rants were on defending his rights, but you don't see that do you? Your so brain washed by leftist group thing you can't.

Every criticism of Obama or speaking out on his policies is proof of racisms, isn't it? Go ahead and say it. Any idea from the right is racist. Apply what ever mental gymnastics needed to get there, that way you can justify your violence. Doesn't righteous hate feel so good? It's the self righteousness that really does it.

Civil war is coming sooner than expected I guess....

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Life, the Universe, and Everything

[jakee 1,254]

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Ted Nugent walked back the thing (not even plural) that he said about obama.

Obama, he's a piece of shit, and I told him to suck on my machine gun. Let's hear it for him. And then I was in New York. I said, "Hey, Hillary, you might want to ride one of these into the sunset, you worthless bitch. Since I'm in California, how about Barbara Boxer, she might want to suck on my machine gun. And Dianne Feinstein, ride one of these you worthless whore. Any questions?

Ok, so let's see how he walked that back...

If Barack Obama becomes the president in November, again, I will be either be dead or in jail by this time next year.

Yep, seems legit

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Every criticism of Obama or speaking out on his policies is proof of racisms, isn't it? Go ahead and say it. Any idea from the right is racist.

Of course not. No-one says that except for the far right. It's one of the lies you tell yourself to justify your hatred of the left.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?