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[billvon 2,380]

So Trump claims that health insurance costs $12 a year if you start getting it early. ("Because you are basically saying from the moment the insurance, you’re 21 years old, you start working and you’re paying $12 a year for insurance, and by the time you’re 70, you get a nice plan. ")

It's a given that he's completely out of touch on this (and most issues concerning health care.) But where did he get the specific number of $12? I mean, why not $23.41 a year, or 9 cents a year? Where did he get that specific bit of alternative fact?

Christopher Long started looking into the most likely source of Trump's information - FOX News. And after reviewing FOX News during times that Trump is most likely to be watching, he found it - a Gerber commercial advertising life insurance for babies for $12 a year.

So Americans can rest easy knowing that our healthcare plans are being based on misunderstood FOX News commercials.

[ryoder 1,381]

I suspected from his incoherent rambling that he was confusing health insurance with life insurance.

I'm certain the founding fathers never intended the presidency to be an entry-level position for the mentally-handicapped.

ETA: Link to article with link to commercial: http://www.rawstory.com/2017/07/did-trumps-bizarre-idea-that-health-insurance-costs-12-a-year-come-from-this-fox-news-commercial/

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[Phil1111 908]

The International Monetary Fund (IMF) has lowered its forecasts for US and UK economic growth this year, following "weaker-than-expected activity" in the first three months. ...

The US will now grow 2.1%, as against the 2.3% it was predicting in April.
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-40697473

The UK has Brexit while the US dreams of trumpexit.

[correcceo 0]

jakee

It's funny that some are trying to paint the Democrats as the new 'Party of No' (which to be fair it's hard not to be to an extent when you're out of power in all both tiers of congress and the Whitehouse) when the Republicans are demonstrating every single day that they're still the party of no even though they're actually in power now.

They don't know how to replace Obamacare, they don't know what to replace it with, they don't know whether they want a replacement that's better or worse or cheaper or costlier, they don't even know if they want any replacement at all... they only know that they want to say 'No' to Obamacare. Their entire healthcare platform is one of opposition, and it's like they haven't figured out yet that they're in government for real.

Well, if they were such the assholes that everyone is making them out to be, then they could replace it with whatever they hell they wanted to, right? I mean, If Obamacare is sooo bad, who's stopping them?

The fact is, is that they're still looking out for the American people as a whole. Obamacare is good enough for now, just don't say it out loud. . .

[billvon 2,380]

As the GOP flails trying to get something - anything! - passed, they have hit upon a new strategy - don't tell senators what they are voting on. That way no one can criticize the bill. From The Hill:

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Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine), who has already announced her opposition to the Senate healthcare bill, on Sunday criticized what she called a confusing and disjointed process.

She said a vote is likely Tuesday, but said senators still don’t know whether they’ll vote on the House-passed measure, one of several Senate versions or a bill that simply repeals as much of the law as possible and sets a two-year transition period for crafting a yet-to-be-determined replacement.

“I don’t think that’s a good approach to facing legislation that affects millions of people and one sixth of our economy,” she said on CBS’s “Face the Nation.”
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[gowlerk 1,903]

A look from a Canadian trying to understand the American system...

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/to-understand-us-health-care-think-like-an-american/article35777320/?cmpid=PM0717


Does a decent job of explaining why it's so hard.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[billvon 2,380]

So the vote is tomorrow. Today a reporter asked Conryn what was in the bill.

Reporter: "What's the ultimate [health care] bill you want to get to?"
Cornyn: "We're not quite there yet."

I guess they will have to pass it to know what's in it.

[wan2doit 6]

"Latest Senate healthcare bill would leave 22 million without insurance: CBO"

My question is - How many Americans are without healthcare with the AHA/ObamaqCare ?

[headoverheels 291]

wan2doit

"Latest Senate healthcare bill would leave 22 million without insurance: CBO"

My question is - How many Americans are without healthcare with the AHA/ObamaqCare ?

It is not 22 million, it is an additional 22 million.

Last year, under AHA, there were about 28 million uninsured. Pre-AHA, it was 48 million.

[kallend 1,621]

wan2doit

"Latest Senate healthcare bill would leave 22 million MORE without insurance: CBO"

FIFY

...

The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[Stumpy 256]

billvon

So the vote is tomorrow. Today a reporter asked Conryn what was in the bill.

Reporter: "What's the ultimate [health care] bill you want to get to?"
Cornyn: "We're not quite there yet."

I guess they will have to pass it to know what's in it.

The good news is, if they kill it, single payer is a shoe-in next time around.
Going to lead to a lot of sick people in the meantime however.

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[billvon 2,380]

So one of the problems the GOP faces is that the Congressional Budget Office keeps coming up with analyses of their plans that show the impact to coverage, budget and the economy overall - and so far every GOP healthcare plan has been a disaster on those metrics.

So their solution is, of course, to eliminate the CBO and use the Heritage Foundation instead.

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An amendment filed Monday by Rep. H. Morgan Griffith (R-Va.) would eliminate the agency’s Budget Analysis Division, cutting 89 jobs and $15 million of the CBO’s proposed $48.5 million budget. A separate amendment filed by Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.) would also eliminate the same division and specify that the CBO instead evaluate legislation “by facilitating and assimilating scoring data” compiled by four private think tanks — the Heritage Foundation, the American Enterprise Institute, the Brookings Institution, and the Urban Institute.

(WaPo)
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[normiss 620]

It is clear to me the intent of the POTUS, current administration, and the Republican party is to simply destroy our government, and taking the economy with it.

[wolfriverjoe 1,340]

normiss

It is clear to me the intent of the POTUS, current administration, and the Republican party is to simply destroy our government, and taking the economy with it.

No, no, no.

That was Obama, the 'evil socialist' who wanted to 'destroy our way of life.'

Of course, he was so bad at it that even though he had 8 years to fulfill his evil plan, he failed miserably.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[Stumpy 256]

So hold on, I think I have this right.

John McCain, who is paid by the taxpayer, got out of his sickbed, where he is being treated for cancer (via taxpayer funded healthcare) and flew halfway across the country, to advance a bill that will strip healthcare from millions of people?

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE?

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[billvon 2,380]

>WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE?

McCain will keep his healthcare; in fact both the Senate and House will keep their Obamacare under the new bill. And since pretty much all senators are pretty wealthy, they will all get a tax cut by ending Obamacare. Pretty straightforward.

[aphid 0]

Stumpy

So hold on, I think I have this right.

John McCain, who is paid by the taxpayer, got out of his sickbed, where he is being treated for cancer (via taxpayer funded healthcare) and flew halfway across the country, to advance a bill that will strip healthcare from millions of people?

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE?

I happened to catch his Senate address on my car radio. Your take on McCain's speech differs from mine.

You can watch/listen to it in full without interruption here:
http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/07/25/mccain-returns-to-senate-floor-full-remarks.cnn

If you prefer, his entire speech converted to text is here:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/07/25/full-text-john-mccains-senate-floor-speech/509799001/

[gowlerk 1,903]

I see a lot of hypocrisy in his actions compared to his words today. I know he's sick. But he is still very powerful. As is usually the case he wants it both ways. High ideals, heavy criticism of others, but only words. No deeds.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[correcceo 0]

Stumpy

So hold on, I think I have this right.

John McCain, who is paid by the taxpayer, got out of his sickbed, where he is being treated for cancer

From my fiancee's experience with this type of cancer, this is probably gonna be the best he feels for a long time. . .maybe ever. Trust me, treatment's a bitch.

But I know, I'm missing the point.

Interestingly enough tho, people with his type of cancer will most likely end up disabled and qualify for Medicaid regardless. . .

[headoverheels 291]

correcceo

Interestingly enough tho, people with his type of cancer will most likely end up disabled and qualify for Medicaid regardless. . .

Not for long. Took my mom about 2 months from diagnosis to death.

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headoverheels

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Interestingly enough tho, people with his type of cancer will most likely end up disabled and qualify for Medicaid regardless. . .

Not for long. Took my mom about 2 months from diagnosis to death.

Sorry to hear that.

. . .but my implication was for those who are "blessed" to live long enough to become disabled.

The very young and very old don't seem to fare as well. 20-50 year olds seem to have a better chance depending on the type of mutation. It seems the main challenge for kids is that they're just not strong enough to handle the radiation and various chemo treatments/pills.

I know of a 7 year-old that had the same thing my fianee has. They gave her nothing. They said the treatment would practically kill her. Off the record, they advised to to see a street pharmacist for cannabis oil that they couldn't prescribe - not just for pain/nausea, but to actually stop tumor progression since it could pass the blood/brain barrier, similar to newer brain cancer chemo pills like Temodar. She was still dead in 6 months.

I just don't get this shit, I really don't. It would help if we at least knew what was causing it, but everyone seems reluctant to offer opinions.

[Phil1111 908]

aphid

***So hold on, I think I have this right.

John McCain, who is paid by the taxpayer, got out of his sickbed, where he is being treated for cancer (via taxpayer funded healthcare) and flew halfway across the country, to advance a bill that will strip healthcare from millions of people?

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE?

I happened to catch his Senate address on my car radio. Your take on McCain's speech differs from mine.

You can watch/listen to it in full without interruption here:
http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/07/25/mccain-returns-to-senate-floor-full-remarks.cnn

If you prefer, his entire speech converted to text is here:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/07/25/full-text-john-mccains-senate-floor-speech/509799001/

McCain said he wouldn’t vote for the Senate health care bill. 6 hours later he did....

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell went through many hoops to try to save it, but ultimately, on Tuesday night, it failed.

Senate procedure requires Republicans to start their floor debate with the American Health Care Act, the bill that the House passed in May. McConnell can substitute another bill for a final vote. Senators can also offer unlimited amendments during the process. McConnell first offered BCRA as the substitute.

But the bill was destined to fail on the floor. Because of Senate rules, the latest version of the bill — which included a provision from Sen. Ted Cruz to allow for plans non-compliant with Obamacare regulations, and another amendment from Sen. Rob Portman to add money to Medicaid — needed 60 votes to pass, and was certainly not going to get eight Democrats on board, let alone 52 Republicans.

Even with McCain’s vote, nine Republicans, free of party pressure, voted against BCRA Tuesday night.

I'm disappointing with John McCain.

[ryoder 1,381]

Health care debate: Senate rejects full Obamacare repeal without replacement: http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/26/politics/health-care-bill-wednesday/index.html

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[billvon 2,380]

Scaramucci today:

"Why not disrupt and decentralize the system, make it more price competitive, increase price competition for the insurance companies, reevaluate the way we’re entering the primary care market the way Secretary Price wants to do it, and trust the process of the free market? Like in telecoms. Like in airlines."

Yep. Trump wants to make healthcare work like those paragons of customer service - airlines and the cable company.

"Sorry, Mr. Smith. The hospital is overbooked. We're going to have to ask you to leave. What? You can't walk with your pelvis broken? No problem; we have some guards here who can drag you out. But don't worry; we will give you a $200 voucher that you can use for drinks and upgrades during your next hospital stay."

[normiss 620]

They've had seven years and they are writing the bill over lunch a day before they vote.