CA's talks of secession

[Airgump 1]

With all talk to secession going around in CA, for once in my life I agree with the residents of the land of fresh fruits, vegetables and wing nuts. I think you should go, that is those that think they’d prefer to go it alone. A very learned man once said, “If you drew a line on the map and gave the liberal wack jobs the best part, in less than 6 months’ time, they’d be cobbling together anything that’ll float trying to get into the conservatives area.”
With that being said, where should the border be drawn? Like in NY only the large population locations have lost their grasp of reality, so how far north should the line be drawn? Once the line is drawn who’s money are you going to beg for when your spending on big ideas can’t make your payrolls or if the big one finally hits, who is going to invest in your community and help restore it?

Let’s try this, let’s give Puerto Rico state status, and reduce CA to that of territory status or maybe trade it off to Mexico to pay down on the cost of southern border security?

[wmw999 2,383]

Just as stupid, and just as likely, as the talk of Texas seceding when Obama was president.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[gowlerk 2,162]

Wasn't there something about a rather large disruptive war the last time this was attempted? I'm pretty sure most of your union learned enough lessons then.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[GeorgiaDon 355]

Considering that Californians pay more in federal taxes than the state receives back (see here), it seems your thesis is based on "alternative facts" and not actual reality. In fact, California could, from a fiscal perspective, tell Trumpland to go fuck themselves, and the only ones who would lose (fiscally speaking) would be all the red states that depend on Californian tax dollars to survive.

Don

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[yoink 321]

We really need a rolling eyes emoticon.

Airgump

Once the line is drawn who’s money are you going to beg for when your spending on big ideas can’t make your payrolls or if the big one finally hits, who is going to invest in your community and help restore it?

I'd be interested if you revise any of your position when you understand that the economy in California somewhere between the 6th and 12th largest in the world, depending upon how you measure it. The only non-country up there...

http://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2016/jul/26/kevin-de-leon/does-california-really-have-sixth-largest-economy-/

http://www.mercurynews.com/2016/07/05/californias-economy-is-bigger-than-all-but-five-nations-world-bank-data-says/

And just to forestall your 'where is the line drawn' argument it would be drawn where the boundaries of the state is now. Discussing what might happen if tiny parts of the state left is a strawman.

Aside from all of that, it would never happen and I don't think most Californians would WANT it to happen. But it's nice to know that if it did we'd probably be OK.
Other states that rely on our contribution to federal funding because they lose money each year, not so much...

Liberals and Immigrants. That's all you get in California and they're all lazy hand-out seekers, right?

[nolhtairt 0]

Meh, if it keeps raining like it has lately in California, it'll eventually become part of the Pacific Ocean.

Chances are greater of a 9.0 earthquake sinking California into the ocean than there are of the state seceding.

[billvon 2,913]

>Once the line is drawn who’s money are you going to beg for when your
>spending on big ideas can’t make your payrolls . . .

Given that California pays far more in federal taxes than it takes in, it's more likely Trump would come begging for the money he needs to continue to pay the fed's bills.

But I agree with Wendy - it's just as dumb as Texas wanting to secede a few years back.

>Let’s try this, let’s give Puerto Rico state status, and reduce CA to that of territory
>status or maybe trade it off to Mexico to pay down on the cost of southern border
>security?

If you want to try it, why not try to spend a year in the US without California's federal taxes? Then see if you still like the idea.

[jakee 1,445]

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With all talk to secession going around in CA, for once in my life I agree with the residents of the land of fresh fruits, vegetables and wing nuts. I think you should go, that is those that think they’d prefer to go it alone. A very learned man once said, “If you drew a line on the map and gave the liberal wack jobs the best part, in less than 6 months’ time, they’d be cobbling together anything that’ll float trying to get into the conservatives area.”
With that being said, where should the border be drawn? Like in NY only the large population locations have lost their grasp of reality, so how far north should the line be drawn? Once the line is drawn who’s money are you going to beg for when your spending on big ideas can’t make your payrolls or if the big one finally hits, who is going to invest in your community and help restore it?

That's such a great argument it's a shame that your learned man has to rely on alternative facts to make it work

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Let’s try this, let’s give Puerto Rico state status,

Yes, you really should do that. Denying Puerto Rico representation in the House and Senate, and a vote in the presidency is a betrayal of the core principles of the constitution, IMO.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[GeorgiaDon 355]

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Yes, you really should do that. Denying Puerto Rico representation in the House and Senate, and a vote in the presidency is a betrayal of the core principles of the constitution, IMO.

True, but not much more so than relying on a system where a Wyoming voter is worth 3 or more Texans or Californians.

Don

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Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996)
“Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats)