Phil1111 908 #151 April 12, 2017 Trump did drop a dime to Putin on the airstrikes. That must count for something. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,902 #152 April 12, 2017 Phil1111Trump did drop a dime to Putin on the airstrikes. That must count for something. It would have been very foolish not to inform the Russians under the circumstances. Actually, more than just foolish, dangerous.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 620 #153 April 12, 2017 Clearly he had but one dime then, fuck congress, call Puty! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sonnyblu 0 #154 April 12, 2017 normissClearly he had but one dime then, fuck congress, call Puty! Perhaps Obama should've done the same. Clearly, congress cannot be trusted. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #155 April 12, 2017 billvon>You are half right. Putin's goal was to undermine and weaken his eventual >adversary, Clinton. Correct. He wanted Trump in office, because Trump would let him get away with far more. Are you talking about Trump's reset button? Or Trump's idle "Red Line" threat? Or how Trump refused to take action against Russia's ally Syria for war crimes? Oh you must mean when he told Russia "I will have more flexibility after my election". Or when Putin told him not to deploy a European missile defense system and he complied? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,120 #156 April 12, 2017 brenthutch***>You are half right. Putin's goal was to undermine and weaken his eventual >adversary, Clinton. Correct. He wanted Trump in office, because Trump would let him get away with far more. Are you talking about Trump's reset button? Or Trump's idle "Red Line" threat? Or how Trump refused to take action against Russia's ally Syria for war crimes? Oh you must mean when he told Russia "I will have more flexibility after my election". Or when Putin told him not to deploy a European missile defense system and he complied? I didn't know Obama was running for President in the last election. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #157 April 12, 2017 SkyDekker******>You are half right. Putin's goal was to undermine and weaken his eventual >adversary, Clinton. Correct. He wanted Trump in office, because Trump would let him get away with far more. Are you talking about Trump's reset button? Or Trump's idle "Red Line" threat? Or how Trump refused to take action against Russia's ally Syria for war crimes? Oh you must mean when he told Russia "I will have more flexibility after my election". Or when Putin told him not to deploy a European missile defense system and he complied? I didn't know Obama was running for President in the last election. No the architect of his "Russian Reset" was. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 620 #158 April 12, 2017 He did. Congress refused. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 620 #159 April 12, 2017 Also interesting that Romania and Poland have apparently moved out of Europe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,120 #160 April 12, 2017 brenthutch*********>You are half right. Putin's goal was to undermine and weaken his eventual >adversary, Clinton. Correct. He wanted Trump in office, because Trump would let him get away with far more. Are you talking about Trump's reset button? Or Trump's idle "Red Line" threat? Or how Trump refused to take action against Russia's ally Syria for war crimes? Oh you must mean when he told Russia "I will have more flexibility after my election". Or when Putin told him not to deploy a European missile defense system and he complied? I didn't know Obama was running for President in the last election. No the architect of his "Russian Reset" was. So your argument is that Clinton has been very good to Russia and therefore there is no possibility that Putin/Russia favoured Trump over Clinton? Based on all the subsequent (circumstantial) evidence that has since come out, that is still your position? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #161 April 12, 2017 Do you mean how Trump just signed off on Montenegro's joining of NATO? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 908 #162 April 12, 2017 brenthutchDo you mean how Trump just signed off on Montenegro's joining of NATO? Yes that is very, very surprising. Seems as if trump wanted to deliberately stick it to Putin. The benefits, like that of the Baltic states. Flows solely to Montenegro. But it does provide that small country with protection from the sole aggressor state in the area, Russia. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,120 #163 April 12, 2017 brenthutchDo you mean how Trump just signed off on Montenegro's joining of NATO? You mean right after it comes out that Nunes information was bullshit? And it comes out there is a FISA warrant on Carter Page? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 620 #164 April 12, 2017 The evidence of Russian payments to Manafort as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #165 April 12, 2017 Carter Page is a member of the Trump administration? Until you can show me some influence over actual policy this will continue to be a nothing burger. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 620 #166 April 12, 2017 I can't consider a double agent advisor to the POTUS as a burger. Burgers are good, Carter Page is a traitor. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #167 April 12, 2017 Phil1111***Do you mean how Trump just signed off on Montenegro's joining of NATO? Yes that is very, very surprising. Seems as if trump wanted to deliberately stick it to Putin. The benefits, like that of the Baltic states. Flows solely to Montenegro. But it does provide that small country with protection from the sole aggressor state in the area, Russia. It weakens Russian political influence in their "near abroad" and brings Russia arch nemesis NATO closer to its borders. Hardly a Russian friendly move. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #168 April 12, 2017 normissI can't consider a double agent advisor to the POTUS as a burger. Burgers are good, Carter Page is a traitor. Show me the beef! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 620 #169 April 12, 2017 FISA warrant on Carter Page being renewed multiple times means it was producing evidence. In March, Trump announced Carter Page, PhD as a member of his foreign policy team. He was an acting foreign agent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 908 #170 April 12, 2017 brenthutch******Do you mean how Trump just signed off on Montenegro's joining of NATO? Yes that is very, very surprising. Seems as if trump wanted to deliberately stick it to Putin. The benefits, like that of the Baltic states. Flows solely to Montenegro. But it does provide that small country with protection from the sole aggressor state in the area, Russia. It weakens Russian political influence in their "near abroad" and brings Russia arch nemesis NATO closer to its borders. Hardly a Russian friendly move. Not only that but the timing is stupid. That is not how you deal with Putin if you are serious about Syria. Like trump could not wait a week. Russia is paranoid about NATO because Russia is really the founding adversary for the organization. Montenegro is a pipsqueak country but the treat that Russia perceives is the stationing of NATO troops in the border countries. Tillerson better put on the charm if he asks Russia for something. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,120 #171 April 12, 2017 brenthutchCarter Page is a member of the Trump administration? Until you can show me some influence over actual policy this will continue to be a nothing burger. Carter Page was an early advisor on Foreign Policy brought into the campaign by Jeff Sessions. Carter Page in a speech also referenced the Rosneft deal prior to the Steele Dossier coming out. He acknowledged meeting Rosneft prior to the dossier coming out. he has denied it ever since. RT caries the same interview, but has the admission "voiced over". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,120 #172 April 12, 2017 Phil1111*********Do you mean how Trump just signed off on Montenegro's joining of NATO? Yes that is very, very surprising. Seems as if trump wanted to deliberately stick it to Putin. The benefits, like that of the Baltic states. Flows solely to Montenegro. But it does provide that small country with protection from the sole aggressor state in the area, Russia. It weakens Russian political influence in their "near abroad" and brings Russia arch nemesis NATO closer to its borders. Hardly a Russian friendly move. Not only that but the timing is stupid. That is not how you deal with Putin if you are serious about Syria. Like trump could not wait a week. Russia is paranoid about NATO because Russia is really the founding adversary for the organization. Montenegro is a pipsqueak country but the treat that Russia perceives is the stationing of NATO troops in the border countries. Tillerson better put on the charm if he asks Russia for something. He must have considering he is meeting with Putin himself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #173 April 12, 2017 normissFISA warrant on Carter Page being renewed multiple times means it was producing evidence. In March, Trump announced Carter Page, PhD as a member of his foreign policy team. He was an acting foreign agent. Apparently the two never even met. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,120 #174 April 12, 2017 brenthutch***FISA warrant on Carter Page being renewed multiple times means it was producing evidence. In March, Trump announced Carter Page, PhD as a member of his foreign policy team. He was an acting foreign agent. Apparently the two never even met. Putin and Page likely never met either. Clearly that means that Page could never be an agent for Russia. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #175 April 12, 2017 So? What is your point? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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