Russiagate

[rushmc 18]

tkhayes

***Russia had nothing to do with Trump's victory. That is the huge point you refuse to see.

It does not have to have happened for a crime to be present. That is the huge point you refuse to see.

And you missed the point yet again. There has been no crime pointed out. At this point.

At least against Trump. We know there are many crimes committed by Hillary.

But you are believing what they want you to believe.

But you do seem to be admitting that there is no crime of so-called collusion. That's a start.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[tkhayes 125]

there is a Russia investigation underway and ongoing. So you actually have no idea yet if a crime has been committed. Clinton investigation is complete.

That is the huge point you refuse to see.

[Phil1111 910]

rushmc

Russia had nothing to do with Trump's victory. That is the huge point you refuse to see.

Nobody can say that with certainty. Marc, your post on job skills shows you're no dummy. Yet you only see politics in black and white. Its as if positive and negative ruled everything without any shades of grey.

Why have so many republicans abandoned the party because of trump? People who stand for less government. Why has Jeff Sessions refused to obey trump's orders re ending the Mueller investigation? He could UN-recluse himself so to speak. He was one of trump's strongest supporters.

Someday you will see that there is a middle ground of thought. Reflect on the damage trump has done to America.

[rushmc 18]

tkhayes

there is a Russia investigation underway and ongoing. So you actually have no idea yet if a crime has been committed. Clinton investigation is complete.

That is the huge point you refuse to see.

Actually, the investigation into the Clinton Foundation is ongoing.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 18]

Sorry. But multiple Federal officials both Democrat and Republican has said that nothing was changed during the presidential election of 20 16.


and there is no middle ground with socialist Democrats. They must be defeated politically at every opportunity. They treat Republicans no differently.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jcd11235 0]

nigel99

A college degree doesn’t make you politically savvy.

Perhaps not, but you'll find few educated people without one.

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[rushmc 18]

jcd11235

***A college degree doesn’t make you politically savvy.

Perhaps not, but you'll find few educated people without one.


LOL

And it's really easy to find a whole bunch of educated idiots

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 18]

Day by day pieces of information come out. And day by day it becomes more clear that the only thing Miller is going to produce is going to be something that looks more like an op-ed hit piece than any sort of indictment

So that said, I'm curious if your new sources presented to you any information regarding the newly released emails regarding the Ohr's?

Take your pick.

https://www.google.com/search?q=ohr%27s+emails+in+the+news&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[LeeroyJenkins 2]

nigel99

Hey Leeroy,

I think that post is in very poor taste and to me comes across as condescending and quite possibly a personal attack.

I’ve got friends who range from lawyers and surgeons through to escorts and postmen, you get arseholes and nice people in all professions. A college degree doesn’t make you politically savvy.

As far as trump goes my previous manager has a masters in engineering, lives in California and is a strong trump supporter. He is not a stupid man at all, but he does have a very narrow view of the world.

I edited it a few time in an attempt to not make it a personal attack against Rush himself. Sure a college degree doesn't mean you are politically savvy but in general it gives you are more well rounded view of things.

[LeeroyJenkins 2]

rushmc

Day by day pieces of information come out. And day by day it becomes more clear that the only thing Miller is going to produce is going to be something that looks more like an op-ed hit piece than any sort of indictment

So that said, I'm curious if your new sources presented to you any information regarding the newly released emails regarding the Ohr's?

Take your pick.

https://www.google.com/search?q=ohr%27s+emails+in+the+news&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b

I read quite a bit of stuff about the Ohr's. I'm not exactly sure why the right is freaking out about them.

Rush, just so we are super clear. I am not saying Russia is the reason Trump won, again there are many very good reasons why he won. We do know that Russia interfered in our election. I want the investigation into the Russian meddling to be completed. If Muller finds that no one in Trumps Campaign conspired with Russians that's fine, if he finds any crimes by Hilary, that's fine, if he doesn't find any crimes directly related to the election that's fine to.

What I'm curious about, why are you so adamant that Russia didn't help trump? What part of your world view is that conflicting with?

[billvon 2,395]

The changing story of Rudy Giuliani:

One of the more damning things Trump did was to try to get Comey to back off investigating his people - specifically Flynn, who admitted to colluding with Sergey Kislyak in violation of the Logan Act. Since the investigation is centered around Russia's attempt to attack the US by influencing the election, a Trump official who colluded with Russians to try to avoid sanctions levied for that attack is pretty central to the investigation. And of course if Trump tried to use the power of his office to prevent such investigations from going forward, that's not only obstruction of justice, but a strong argument that he was aware of his exposure to charges of working with the Russians.

Flynn, of course, pled guilty to lying to the FBI concerning his work with the Russians.

So now Trump is trying to distance himself from that conversation with Comey. His mouthpiece, Rudy Guiliani, has attempted to do so as well. But he can't for the life of him keep his story straight.

A month ago he claimed to ABC news that Trump talked to Flynn but he never ordered him to stop the investigation. Giuliani claimed that "he didn't direct him to do that. What he said was, can you, can you give him a break." So the conversation happened.

Then Giuliani claims the conversation never happened to begin with. "There was no conversation about Michael Flynn. . . . All of the sudden in May he says he felt obstructed. He felt pressured by that comment, 'you should go easy on Flynn.' So we maintain the President didn't say that."

So then a reporter asked him why he said that Trump had talked to Flynn in the ABC interview. Giuliani said "I never … I never told ABC that. That’s crazy. I never said that."

Unfortunately for Rudy, nowadays they keep the video recordings of interviews. Someone played him the tape of himself saying just that. His story now:

"Yes, I said it, but I also said before that I'm talking about their version of it. Look, lawyers argue in the alternative."

So he was saying that he was talking about an "alternative fact" version of the conversation, one that didn't happen.

His funniest line of his most recent interview:

"I know it's complicated, but my goodness, we've been over it long enough that -- I mean, why would I say something that isn't true?"

Why indeed.

[rushmc 18]

Ok, so we are on the same page tell me two things.

1. What does Russia meddling in US elections mean to you?

2. What would Trump collusion with Russia Dee your mind? NOTE;. For the case of this disscusion forget Jr.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,121]

rushmc

***there is a Russia investigation underway and ongoing. So you actually have no idea yet if a crime has been committed. Clinton investigation is complete.

That is the huge point you refuse to see.

Actually, the investigation into the Clinton Foundation is ongoing.

So is the investigation into the Trump Foundation.

But it doesn't matter.

This is your decision tree:

Democrat: guilty regardless of investigation or outcome. Deep State.
Republican: innocent regardless of investigation or outcome. Deep State.

[nigel99 143]

I totally agree that a college degree tends to make you more rounded and politically savvy. Key point being that this is a generalization.

One thing that I will say is that from my limited interaction with Trump supporters is that they do tend to have very narrow minded viewpoints. I’ve mentioned my previous manager a few times, I’ll not forget him telling me that women could not get fair in their jobs because they needed to focus on being wives and mothers. Another example was him telling two of us (who are both British) all about how he was doing a presentation on fracking at his church men’s group the next morning- it was then that we decided to stick to drinking and talking about cars and motorbikes, leaving dangerous subjects alone

Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

[jakee 1,254]

rushmc

2. What would Trump collusion with Russia Dee your mind? NOTE;. For the case of this disscusion forget Jr.

So you concede that Don Jr was attempting to collude with the Russians on behalf of and with the knowledge of the Trump campaign?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[SkyDekker 1,121]

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The special counsel by law was designed to investigate a known crime.

A fourth judge, in this case a Trump appointed judge, has now ruled that the Mueller investigation is legitimate. You are simply wrong.

[LeeroyJenkins 2]

nigel99

I totally agree that a college degree tends to make you more rounded and politically savvy. Key point being that this is a generalization.

One thing that I will say is that from my limited interaction with Trump supporters is that they do tend to have very narrow minded viewpoints. I’ve mentioned my previous manager a few times, I’ll not forget him telling me that women could not get fair in their jobs because they needed to focus on being wives and mothers. Another example was him telling two of us (who are both British) all about how he was doing a presentation on fracking at his church men’s group the next morning- it was then that we decided to stick to drinking and talking about cars and motorbikes, leaving dangerous subjects alone

It is a generalization. I know plenty of educated people that are pretty one track mind also, they tend to work in echo chambers though. One of my coworkers is a trump supporter/Hilary hater, he is however quite liberal and wont admit it because democrat is a four letter word. It's pretty funny.

At this point the thread might as well die. Rush is just a guy yelling at a wall saying its a window. It would be one thing if he was capable of formulating his own opinions but all he does is regurgitate whatever his master tweets.

[rushmc 18]

jakee

***2. What would Trump collusion with Russia Dee your mind? NOTE;. For the case of this disscusion forget Jr.

So you concede that Don Jr was attempting to collude with the Russians on behalf of and with the knowledge of the Trump campaign?

No

Because it is no more a thing than Hillary doing it. Which she did when she paid fusion going through a lawyer.

Now if she did nothing wrong then neither did Jr.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[LeeroyJenkins 2]

rushmc

******2. What would Trump collusion with Russia Dee your mind? NOTE;. For the case of this disscusion forget Jr.

So you concede that Don Jr was attempting to collude with the Russians on behalf of and with the knowledge of the Trump campaign?

No

Because it is no more a thing than Hillary doing it. Which she did when she paid fusion going through a lawyer.

Now if she did nothing wrong then neither did Jr.

This post just shows how little you know about election law. Which really isn't that surprising because it is intentionally complicated. Doing opposition research is completely legal. Hilary paid a law firm, that law firm then hired Fusion, fusion hired Steel, Steel talked to Russians. Clinton did it the legal way. Don Jr. met directly with a Russian, that's the illegal way. There is a difference. I agree that it is dumb, but that is how election law works. It's gray and fuzzy but it is like that for a reason. To make the distinction a little more clear and very simplified. On paper Clinton got information form americans, jr got information from Russians.

[SkyDekker 1,121]

rushmc

******2. What would Trump collusion with Russia Dee your mind? NOTE;. For the case of this disscusion forget Jr.

So you concede that Don Jr was attempting to collude with the Russians on behalf of and with the knowledge of the Trump campaign?

No

Because it is no more a thing than Hillary doing it. Which she did when she paid fusion going through a lawyer.

Now if she did nothing wrong then neither did Jr.

Paying a law firm is the same as meeting with an agent of a foreign government directly. An agent who approached you with an offer.

Accepting help from a foreign government is the same as engaging a law firm.

Yup, that makes sense.

[billvon 2,395]

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Paying a law firm is the same as meeting with an agent of a foreign government directly. An agent who approached you with an offer.

You also have to wonder why, if they thought it was all perfectly legal, they lied about it so much.

[rushmc 18]

If junior did that then why is he not under investigation?

your post here just proves you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 18]

and by the way the TP document was put together by Steel with information that he told everybody was gathered from Russian informants. Again you need to learn about what's really going on.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

He is under investigation. It's what this whole fucking thread is about. Jesus Christ.

- Dan G

[rushmc 18]

DanG

He is under investigation. It's what this whole fucking thread is about. Jesus Christ.

the FBI has said that Trump jr. Is neither a subject or Person of Interest or a Target in the Russia collusion investigation

And now Hilary sympathizer Strozk has been fired. About damn time.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln