why did older voters support Trump?

[SivaGanesha 2]

It doesn't make sense to me. The demographic breakdown of Trump voters on racial and gender lines makes perfect sense to me. But not so with age.

I'm 51 years old--in other words, at an age where I'm more likely statistically to start having more serious health issues--but still a long way away from Medicare. Obamacare is a good deal for my generation. It isn't such a good deal for the younger generation who effectively end up having to subsidize the health care of my generation.

And yet it is the older voters who voted to get rid of Obamacare (via Trump) and the younger ones who wanted to keep it. That makes zero sense to me. I would expect the core Trump supporter to be a young white guy--not so much older white guys like me. What am I missing in my understanding here?

"It's hard to have fun at 4-way unless your whole team gets down to the ground safely to do it again!"--Northern California Skydiving League re USPA Safety Day, March 8, 2014

[ryoder 1,381]

The only two pundits I know of that called the election correctly were Michael Moore, and some college professor. Make no mistake; Moore detests Trump, but seems to understand why people supported Trump. He explains it in this video, (so well that some people mis-interpret it to be support of Trump):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKeYbEOSqYc

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[rushmc 18]

They voted for Trump because they know what this country can be when government doesn't have such an imposing presence on our lives.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[CanuckInUSA 0]

SivaGanesha

What am I missing in my understanding here?

A lot. This election wasn't about Obamacare. Michael Moore gets it. Why can't you?

There is a huge economic shit storm heading our way. It will make 2008 look like a walk in the park. Can Trump ward it off? Not likely. Not unless he can take down the Federal Reserve and drain the swamp next to the Patomac. I don't view politicians as my messiahs, in fact I dislike politicians of all stripes. The moment their lips begin to move is the moment you know they are lying. But this shit storm will be making landfall soon and I am happy that the Clinton's won't be around feeding at the trough while all hell breaks out.

Oh and one other thing. It sure is nice to know that at least for the next four years, the DNS servers are safe. You have the right to be offended by anything I or anyone else says, and you have the right to tell me what you think about me. Don't worry I am not a snowflake, I can handle anything thrown my way. But you don't have the right to silence your political opponents and that is another thing this election is about. However the battle to restore free speech from the Cultural Marxists has only begun. Here is a good documentary on the need to preserve free speech.

Silenced

It goes a lot deeper into the realm that I thought it would. Oh and I promise there is nothing in the documentary that mentions Elephants or Donkeys in case either one of these animals scares you back into a safe space.


I could go on. But I won't.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[SivaGanesha 2]

CanuckInUSA

A lot. This election wasn't about Obamacare. Michael Moore gets it. Why can't you?

I absolutely get it. You are a Canadian who fled back to Canada and free health care and you now want to deny Americans the same privilege from your position of safety in Canada.

I myself have my roots in Canada but have taken before God the oath of American citizenship and am committed for life to the American experiment.

This election may not have been solely about Obamacare but it was a big part of the context. Republicans have been fighting Obamacare since 2010 with an indescribable passion.

"It's hard to have fun at 4-way unless your whole team gets down to the ground safely to do it again!"--Northern California Skydiving League re USPA Safety Day, March 8, 2014

[gowlerk 1,903]

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Republicans have been fighting Obamacare since 2010 with an indescribable passion.

Most Republicans feel that those who do not have jobs good enough to give them healthcare should be left to fend for themselves. Most of these people are "urban" types. Meaning poor. Republicans tend to be not willing to pay taxes that go to providing free healthcare to those who are seen as a burden on society and unworthy.

That is the bottom line. Literally. Sad.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[CanuckInUSA 0]

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I absolutely get it. You are a Canadian who fled back to Canada and free health care and you now want to deny Americans the same privilege from your position of safety in Canada.

No clearly you don't get it.

You can always go back and search for every post I have ever made here on the Dork Zone. If you did, historically you will find me railing on the Big Government spending. I am not even going to try and hide from that stance as that is core to one of my Libertarian beliefs. You will also find a lot of recent posts where I have railed into the Clinton crime syndicate. But you are going to have a hard time finding posts where I have criticized Obamacare. Have I ever critiqued the program? I don't know, perhaps there is one of two posts out there. But you won't find more than that.

As far as our socialized healthcare here in Canuckistan.

1) It's not free. I pay much higher taxes than you do.
2) It's not efficient. There are long, often 1+ year or more wait lists for many procedures.

I've always thought if you could find something between the Canadian system and what existed in the USA a decade ago when I was there, that would have been ideal. But unless you are a snowflake (calling out spoiled millennials, not you), you can't always get what you want as the perfect system never has and never will exist.

If you want to talk about Obamacare as if it was the definitive issue, then have at it. But at least in my opinion it wasn't the issue of this election. Not even close. It was only one of many many issues. I can't speak for you, but I'm happy that we don't need to worry about war with Russia now. Weren't you paying attention when Clinton was rattling her saber? Or was a really good "Dancing with the Stars" episode on? Or perhaps some hard hitting news from SNL and/or the Daily Show?

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[SivaGanesha 2]

Well I almost feel like I should step out of the room as Putin (dom) and Trump (sub) consummate their bromance.

But I was involved in Republican politics as the Precinct Committee Officer for my precinct until earlier this year when they nominated a guy I didn't agree with. I think I'm right in saying Obamacare was a huge deal this election.

I love Libertarians. But the Republicans I saw as best embodying Libertarian ideals--Rand Paul in particular--were forced out early this cycle. I took this as a signal to withdraw my own support of the Republican party.

"It's hard to have fun at 4-way unless your whole team gets down to the ground safely to do it again!"--Northern California Skydiving League re USPA Safety Day, March 8, 2014

[ryoder 1,381]

SivaGanesha

I love Libertarians. But the Republicans I saw as best embodying Libertarian ideals--Rand Paul in particular--were forced out early this cycle. I took this as a signal to withdraw my own support of the Republican party.

Agreed.
Rand Paul was the only one on the GOP side that appealed to me.
I loved it when Rubio chirped the tired old GOP mantra:

"We need to rebuild our military!"

And Rand Paul shot him down with:

"We spend more on ours than the next ten countries combined; It's already built."

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[rushmc 18]

gowlerk

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Republicans have been fighting Obamacare since 2010 with an indescribable passion.

Most Republicans feel that those who do not have jobs good enough to give them healthcare should be left to fend for themselves. Most of these people are "urban" types. Meaning poor. Republicans tend to be not willing to pay taxes that go to providing free healthcare to those who are seen as a burden on society and unworthy.

That is the bottom line. Literally. Sad.

It is lerally not true. But after ajj the years of that lie being told I am not surprised you parrot it here.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[winsor 185]

gowlerk

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Republicans have been fighting Obamacare since 2010 with an indescribable passion.

Most Republicans feel that those who do not have jobs good enough to give them healthcare should be left to fend for themselves. Most of these people are "urban" types. Meaning poor. Republicans tend to be not willing to pay taxes that go to providing free healthcare to those who are seen as a burden on society and unworthy.

That is the bottom line. Literally. Sad.

The "Affordable Care Act" is as solid a misnomer as the "Federal Reserve," which is neither Federal nor a reserve.

Six years ago it cost $10,000 a night for a bed in a local hospital. Add in the services that were not included, and things began to get expensive.

Why on earth do they charge $10,000 a night? Why does a dog lick his balls?

Rather than implement an elegant set of rules that addressed the core issues that lead to insanely overpriced 'health care,' the ACA simply said that everyone would be required to subject themselves to the existing price structure (or worse, as things got further out of hand), and somehow get someone else to pay for it in the case of the indigent or working poor. Those who got stuck with the tab would be labeled 'the rich.'

Obama himself said in one of his Senatorial speeches that solving the problem of people without health insurance by requiring it was like solving homelessness by requiring everyone to have a home.

As Rocky the Flying Squirrel noted, "that trick never works."

If the law had addressed the fundamentals of exactly why the price structure of medical care is so detached from reality, I suspect there would have been more people on board with it.

The fact that the law was but a further flight of fantasy was infuriating.

YES, there were and are some serious structural problems with the health care system in the country and NO, this is not a solution. If anything, the ACA is eine Schlimmverbesserung, the closest concept in English being that the cure is worse than the disease, which is apt.

I'd love to have someone implement changes that resulted in affordable health care that did not fuck over health care providers, but the ACA does not even come close.

I have a real problem with trying to fix medical care by tasking Ivy League Attorneys to do so; let me get this straight - you think Doctors charge too much so you're going to get Lawyers to set things straight? Have you lost your fucking mind?

Bottom line: there is a real problem, but this is nothing similar to a solution.


BSBD,

Winsor

[RonD1120 58]

In my area, north GA, the main concerns among my peers are:

1. Open borders
2. Clinton corruption
3. HC's incompetence
4. Opposition to socialism
5. 2nd Amendment rights
6. HC's collusion with the Muslim Brotherhood

Obamacare was rarely mentioned during the campaigning. BTW, I'm 74.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[gowlerk 1,903]

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Bottom line: there is a real problem, but this is nothing similar to a solution.

Absolutely true that the ACA is not the answer. Bottom line is that America does not have anything like universal healthcare. It is unique in that among the western democracies. Why? Because you are so strongly divided. At least Trump isn't talking about undoing the New Deal.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[jakee 1,254]

gowlerk

At least Trump isn't talking about undoing the New Deal.

No, Trump is talking about making a New Deal - Millions of new taxpayer funded jobs on government projects.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rehmwa 2]

jakee

***At least Trump isn't talking about undoing the New Deal.

No, Trump is talking about making a New Deal - Millions of new taxpayer funded jobs on government projects.

this is why it's still strange that Dems don't like him. He's a Dem. Pure and simple.

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[ShotterMG 0]

Same reason as all the other Trump voters; because they are stupid as fuck.

[gowlerk 1,903]

ShotterMG

Same reason as all the other Trump voters; because they are stupid as fuck.

As Ron might say, that's your truth on an emotional level. And emotions are more important than truths at times. But they don't help anyone understand WTF happened.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[jakee 1,254]

rehmwa

******At least Trump isn't talking about undoing the New Deal.

No, Trump is talking about making a New Deal - Millions of new taxpayer funded jobs on government projects.

this is why it's still strange that Dems don't like him. He's a Dem. Pure and simple.

Yeah he's a hardcore Dem.... in one aspect of economic policy.

I'm sure you're just stirring the pot here but even so, it's a poor effort.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[kallend 1,621]

jakee

*********At least Trump isn't talking about undoing the New Deal.

No, Trump is talking about making a New Deal - Millions of new taxpayer funded jobs on government projects.

this is why it's still strange that Dems don't like him. He's a Dem. Pure and simple.

Yeah he's a hardcore Dem.... in one aspect of economic policy.

I'm sure you're just stirring the pot here but even so, it's a poor effort.

Depends on which day of the week it is. MWF he's GOP, TThS he's a Dem, and Sunday he plays golf.

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[PhreeZone 14]

If you want to see some scary deficit projections look at what Tax Foundation (somewhat conservative oriented group)put together over the summer for projections based on candidates plans that were put forward at that point.

http://taxfoundation.org/article/details-and-analysis-donald-trump-s-tax-plan

Overall, the plan would reduce federal revenue on a static basis by $11.98 trillion over the next ten years. Most of the revenue loss is due to the reduction in individual income tax rates, which we project to reduce revenues by approximately $10.20 trillion over the next decade. The changes to the corporate income tax will reduce revenues by an additional $1.54 trillion over the next decade, with the remaining static cost ($238 billion) due to the elimination of the estate tax.

However, if we account for the economic growth that the plan would produce, the plan would end up lowering revenue by $10.14 trillion over the next decade. The larger economy would increase wages, which would narrow the revenue lost through the individual income tax by about $666 billion and increase payroll tax revenues by $839 billion, with the remainder of the recouped revenue coming from other taxes.

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And tomorrow is a mystery

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[GeorgiaDon 340]

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The American public shelled out $700 billion on the last stimulus and it was all pissed away. I don't imagine this time will be any different.

The purpose of the last stimulus program was to put money into the economy as fast as possible, so funding was directed to "shovel-ready" projects. Anything that required even just six months of planning was off the table. Serious infrastructure projects couldn't ramp up that fast, it takes time to design a new bridge, highway, or power grid. So a lot of roads got repaved, but little new was built.

The Trump administration is not in the position of inheriting the worse recession since the 1930's, unlike the shit sandwich Obama inherited from Bush. If the intent of the program is to actually build infrastructure (as opposed to putting money in people's pockets ASAP) it's possible something lasting will come out of it.

Don

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