unexpected consequences of climate change

[DanG 1]

My company is old school. We switched to admins just a couple years ago. I'm not sure why "secretary" is offensive. That's what the job is.

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normiss

I've seen nothing to show that is what anyone is wanting to do.
The effort appears to simply try to reduce the damage we're doing.

You guys didn't get your story straight on ths one. Evidently Bill sees trillions of "want to do its"

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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You guys didn't get your story straight on ths one.

This might be very hard for to believe for Trump supporters, but not everybody needs to be told what their opinion is.

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SkyDekker

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You guys didn't get your story straight on ths one.

This might be very hard for to believe for Trump supporters, but not everybody needs to be told what their opinion is.

That's cute - you think I support trump.

It's cute - like in a killing a baby seal kinda way.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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It's cute - like in a killing a baby seal kinda way.

Decent meat, little fatty. Served in the cafeteria of Parliament.

Not that most Americans would understand a culture other than their own. I mean, it is easy to think that everybody wants to be American. Who wouldn't want to be led by Trump or Clinton?

[rushmc 18]

billvon

>So is a heatwave that lingered for the whole of july weather or is it climate?

A heatwave is weather.

A steady, year-over-year rise in temperatures - sufficient to melt decades-old permafrost - is climate.

which has happened before

not that you care

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 18]

SkyDekker

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Words mean things.

Exactly!

***Title of the thread vs content are at odds with each other

My words tried to shine some light on that. But maybe you didn't get the meaning of the words. At least you understand words have meaning, so there is that...

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but that doesn't stop alarmists from trying to promote the narrative, does it?

Alarmist probably spread anthrax just so they could get an article about climate change.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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rushmc

***>So is a heatwave that lingered for the whole of july weather or is it climate?

A heatwave is weather.

A steady, year-over-year rise in temperatures - sufficient to melt decades-old permafrost - is climate.

which has happened before

not that you care


Never even close to this quickly.

Not that you care.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[billvon 2,395]

>which has happened before

Not at this speed.

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Today's Climate Change Proves Much Faster Than Changes in Past 65 Million Years

Climate change is occurring 10 to 100 times faster than in the past and ecosystems will find it hard to adjust

Anne C. Mulkern, ClimateWire
August 2, 2013 105
Scientific American

The climate is changing at a pace that's far faster than anything seen in 65 million years, a report out of Stanford University says.

The amount of global temperature increase and the short time over which it's occurred create a change in velocity that outstrips previous periods of warming or cooling, the scientists said in research published in today's Science.

If global temperatures rise 1.5 degrees Celsius over the next century, the rate will be about 10 times faster than what's been seen before, said Christopher Field, one of the scientists on the study. Keeping the temperature increase that small will require aggressive mitigation, he said.

If the Earth stays on its current course without reversing greenhouse gas emissions, and global temperatures rise 5 degrees Celsius, as scientists say is possible, the pace of change will be at least 50 times and possibly 100 times swifter than what's occurred in the past, Field said. The numbers are imprecise because the comparison is to an era 55 million years ago, he said.

"The planet has not experienced changes this rapid in 65 million years," Field said. "Humans have never seen anything like this."

Field, in the school's Department of Global Ecology with the Carnegie Institution for Science, and Noah Diffenbaugh, an associate professor of environmental Earth system science, reviewed and synthesized existing research on climate change for a special issue of Science: "Natural Systems in Changing Climates."

They looked at climate events or major transitions that have happened on Earth since the extinction of the dinosaurs. Those include the period when the Earth emerged from an ice age. Temperatures then increased between 3 and 5 degrees Celsius, similar to the amount scientists say is possible with ongoing climate change. But that change happened over about 20,000 years, the scientists said, and not decades as is happening now.

They also looked at a period when global temperatures dropped 11 to 12 degrees over a period 52 million to 34 million years ago.

"That's a larger change in global temperature than what's likely to occur over the next century, but it happened over 18 million years," Diffenbaugh said. "So it was a high-magnitude but relatively low-rate event.

"We find periods of Earth's history where the global temperature change was of similar magnitude, but the rate was an order of magnitude slower."

The changes that are expected ahead will happen much faster than the rate at which species and ecosystems typically are able to adjust, Field said.

Plants and animals essentially would need to move about 1 yard each day farther north or higher in elevation to maintain the conditions they prefer, Field said. While farmers and others can shift where they grow crops, Field said, it's different for a butterfly or a maple tree.

"Maple trees are not good at moving," Field said, adding, "You don't have forests moving over long distances very, very fast."

Trees can shift over time when seeds are blown and squirrels carry acorns, but it typically is not that rapid, he said. The fastest that trees have had to move in the past was tens of meters per year. That's known from pollen records, he said.

"We actually don't have any good examples of them moving as fast as they'll need to in the future because the climate zones haven't moved that fast," Field said.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/todays-climate-change-proves-much-faster-than-changes-in-past-65-million-years/
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[rushmc 18]

Yes it has

And faster

I have posted the research before

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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rushmc

Yes it has

And faster

I have posted the research before

Your version of "facts" do not match up AT ALL with any of the peer reviewed scientific research done on the subject at hand.

Here is a true fact. Repeating something that has been shown to be factually incorrect, over and over, does not make it become factually correct. It doesn't matter how many times you repeat incorrect information. It is and remains factually incorrect.

Factually incorrect = wrong

Continuing to repeat factually incorrect ideas after being shown the true facts is a direct form of lying. Why do you persist in lying on a public forum?

As a conservative, you are well versed in intentionally lying and spreading factually incorrect information. P.T. Barnum had it 100% correct.

[billvon 2,395]

>Yes it has And faster

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How is Today’s Warming Different from the Past?

NASA Earth Observatory
June 7 2014

Earth has experienced climate change in the past without help from humanity. We know about past climates because of evidence left in tree rings, layers of ice in glaciers, ocean sediments, coral reefs, and layers of sedimentary rocks. For example, bubbles of air in glacial ice trap tiny samples of Earth’s atmosphere, giving scientists a history of greenhouse gases that stretches back more than 800,000 years. The chemical make-up of the ice provides clues to the average global temperature.

Using this ancient evidence, scientists have built a record of Earth’s past climates, or “paleoclimates.” The paleoclimate record combined with global models shows past ice ages as well as periods even warmer than today. But the paleoclimate record also reveals that the current climatic warming is occurring much more rapidly than past warming events.

As the Earth moved out of ice ages over the past million years, the global temperature rose a total of 4 to 7 degrees Celsius over about 5,000 years. In the past century alone, the temperature has climbed 0.7 degrees Celsius, roughly ten times faster than the average rate of ice-age-recovery warming.
Graph of multi-proxy global temperature reconstruction and instrumental records.

Models predict that Earth will warm between 2 and 6 degrees Celsius in the next century. When global warming has happened at various times in the past two million years, it has taken the planet about 5,000 years to warm 5 degrees. The predicted rate of warming for the next century is at least 20 times faster. This rate of change is extremely unusual.

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/GlobalWarming/page3.php
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Global warming will be faster than expected

November 26, 2015
Linköping Universitet

Global warming will progress faster than what was previously believed. The reason is that greenhouse gas emissions that arise naturally are also affected by increased temperatures. This has been confirmed in a new study from Linköping University that measures natural methane emissions.

"Everything indicates that global warming caused by humans leads to increased natural greenhouse gas emissions. Our detailed measurements reveal a clear pattern of greater methane emissions from lakes at higher temperatures," says Sivakiruthika Natchimuthu, doctoral student at Tema Environmental Change, Linköping University, Sweden, and lead author of the latest publication on this topic from her group.

Over the past two years the research team at Linköping University has contributed to numerous studies that all point in the same direction: natural greenhouse gas emissions will increase when the climate gets warmer. In the latest study the researchers examined the emissions of the greenhouse gas methane from three lakes. The effects were clear and the methane emissions increased exponentially with temperature. Their measurements show that a temperature increase from 15 to 20 degrees Celsius almost doubled the methane level. The findings was recently published in Limnology and Oceanography.

While increased anthropogenic emissions of greenhouse gases are expected and included in climate predictions, the future development of the natural emissions has been less clear.

Now knowledge of a vicious circle emerge: greenhouse gas emissions from the burning of fossil fuels lead to higher temperatures, which in turn lead to increased natural emissions and further warming.

"We're not talking about hypotheses anymore. The evidence is growing and the results of the detailed studies are surprisingly clear. The question is no longer if the natural emissions will increase but rather how much they will increase with warming," says David Bastviken, professor at Tema Environmental Change, Linköping University.

This means that warming will be faster than expected from anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions alone. According to Professor Bastviken this also means that any reductions in anthropogenic greenhouse emissions is a double victory, by both reducing the direct effect on warming, but also by preventing the feedback with increased natural emissions.

www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/11/151126104037.htm
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[rushmc 18]

NASA?

That is funny.

The internal emails to why and how they manipulated data will come out later this year.

Should be fun.

We will have to wait for a while as they are fighting the FOIA requests.

As to my statement?

Yes, there is scientific research that suggests the planet has heated faster than what we are seeing today. And has had higher CO2 levels.

Low ice extents are seeing increases in the last three years.

Oh, and you still have not commented on the temp changes in the last few months.

I keep waiting for that.

BTW

Have you seen the latest on the solar cycles that may be coming? (I am enjoying the reports of the alarmists trying to suppress that research)

Gonna be an interesting year.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[normiss 622]

Just wait until more of the deadly bacteria, viruses, nuclear, and other contaminants long buried in permafrost are once again exposed and affecting humans.
Nah. That won't work either.

[billvon 2,395]

>Yes, there is scientific research that suggests the planet has heated faster than
>what we are seeing today. And has had higher CO2 levels.

Not in the past few million years or so. In other words, never in human existence.

>Oh, and you still have not commented on the temp changes in the last few months.

The temperature changes in the past few months are called "summer." Happens every year. It will cool down in the fall. (And at that point you can post "there's only one problem with global warming - it ended in the fall of 2016!")