“You say shit like that, and then people will buy into it.”

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It is the nature of being president or a candidate to be attacked. If you can't deal with that without attacking back, you're seriously unsuitable for the job.

Trump will be very strong, and will be the best at attacking back at his enemies. That weak Kenyan Obama would probably ignore an offensive tweet from some evildoer in China. When Trump is president, he'll have the launch codes, and no one will attack him more than once! That's what being strong is all about.

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SkyDekker

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Trump attacked Khan because Khan attacked Trump.

Even if that is true, that is a problem. One would hope that a president of a major country is able to control his emotions and anger a little better.

Of course, ...there is no response that would not be a problem. That's the point of the attacks on Trump in the first place.

But, I don't think Trump is responding out of anger or emotion. By body language (facial expressions, shrugs, etc.) they seem to be more of a "matter of fact". ...almost like an adolescent "I know you are but what am I" type of response. Maybe over-analyzing.

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wmw999

It is the nature of being president or a candidate to be attacked. If you can't deal with that without attacking back, you're seriously unsuitable for the job. Does anyone here doubt that Trump will have an enemies list, and that he'll use the power of the presidency to get back at his enemies?

Wendy P.

I don't really think Trump takes these retaliatory responses seriously. Could be wrong about that. And it's hard to say whether he'll use Presidential powers extra-Constitutionally. I don't believe he'll have the kind of support necessary to do that even if he wanted to. OTOH, I seriously do believe that about Hillary. Could be wrong about that, too.

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I don't really think Trump takes these retaliatory responses seriously. Could be wrong about that. And it's hard to say whether he'll use Presidential powers extra-Constitutionally. I don't believe he'll have the kind of support necessary to do that even if he wanted to. OTOH, I seriously do believe that about Hillary. Could be wrong about that, too.

Wait, so you think the government won't support Trump's attempts to circumvent the Constitution, but they'll let Hillary do anything she wants?

You really need to take a look at why you feel that way. I get the feeling you are not dispassionately examining the candidates as individuals.

- Dan G

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normiss

Her immigration issues are interesting, I was unaware of those.

Don't worry, Trump will be more careful when he imports Melania's replacement in a few years.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[jakee 1,254]

muff528

Again, I'm not sure if Trump's statements were before or as a result of the McGraw incident. Really don't know, but I doubt that Trump told his supporters to go out and attack protesters without provocation.

From late January:

There may be somebody with tomatoes in the audience. So if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously. Okay? Just knock the hell— I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees. I promise, I promise. It won’t be so much ’cause the courts agree with us too.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[SkyDekker 1,121]

ryoder

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Her immigration issues are interesting, I was unaware of those.

Don't worry, Trump will be more careful when he imports Melania's replacement in a few years.

As I mentioned in the other thread, base don his own statements he should be deporting his own wife and child.

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Hi Wendy,

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use the power of the presidency

I have no doubt at all.

He will make Nixon look like a saint.

Jerry Baumchen

[jakee 1,254]

muff528

Completely aware of Bush's timeline. But the goal was to leave Iraq in a reasonably stable state with a functioning democratic government that represents all factions regardless of any artificial schedule.

Great goal. Was never going to happen. Ever.

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Things happen that do not cooperate with schedules and exit strategies. It was very predictable what would happen to Iraq after withdrawal of troops at the time it actually happened.

It was very predictable what would happen when Bush signed the exit agrement. It was very predictable (and was predicted) what would happen from the moment Bush decided to invade!

And what did Bush think about schedules and strategies changing?

Q (As translated.) A question, Mr. Prime Minister and others, you all talked about the various gains that will come as a result of signing this agreement. But just quickly I have one question about the withdrawal of American forces. Is this going to be an accelerated process that will happen quickly and perhaps prematurely?

PRESIDENT BUSH: First of all, we're here at the Iraqi -- at the request of the Iraqi government. It's an elected government. There are certain benchmarks that will be met -- such as troops out of the cities by June of '09. And then there's a benchmark at the end of the agreement.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Although we can only see the first page, it does seem to me that he is advocating a strict interpretation of Islamic Law and that the Quran is the source of that law, stating "that even the Sunnah derived its authority from clear injunctions of the Quran."

So? Even if you could tell that from basically fuck-all information... so what? You can write a paper about the source of Islamic law without ever advocating for the application or use of Islamic law.

That's how religion and philosophy work. You can argue the minutest detail of the written statements and internal consistency of any given belief system without needing to believe a word of it yourself.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[normiss 622]

Some of his other comments would have you thinking he's creepy.

"she does have a very nice figure. I’ve said if Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her.

“Yeah, she’s really something, and what a beauty, that one. If I weren’t happily married and, ya know, her father . . . ”

“Well, I think that she's got a lot of Marla,” he said.”She's a really beautiful baby, and she's got Marla's legs. We don't know whether she's got this part yet (gestures toward his chest), but time will tell.”

"You know who’s one of the great beauties of the world, according to everybody?” he asked on “The Howard Stern Show.” “And I helped create her. Ivanka. My daughter, Ivanka. She’s 6 feet tall, she’s got the best body.”

This guy is messed up.

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ryoder

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Her immigration issues are interesting, I was unaware of those.

Don't worry, Trump will be more careful when he imports Melania's replacement in a few years.

Well he likes to create jobs!

And Christian leaders love trump:

"In fact, Trump couldn’t be more different than the Christian pastors, authors, and activists in attendance. The reality-television star and real-estate mogul is the living, breathing embodiment of what many evangelicals have spent their careers warring against.

Many evangelicals have advocated for abstinence education in public schools, lamenting premarital and extramarital sex. Trump has repeatedly bragged about his sexual encounters and multiple affairs with married women.

Many evangelicals champion the “sanctity of marriage” and lament America’s high divorce rate. Trump has been divorced three times.

Many evangelicals fear America is becoming too secular. Trump doesn’t regularly attend church.

Evangelicals often oppose gambling. Trump has made much of his wealth from casinos.

Many evangelicals believe pornography is a social blight. In a picture from a meeting between Donald Trump and Jerry Falwell Jr. and his wife, a framed Playboy magazine cover was visible in the background...."

This of course before the nude photos of trump's wife were republished last weekend.

"Because Trump is promising them the thing they want most. As he told the 1,000 Christian leaders in New York (emphasis mine):

This is such an important election. And I say to you folks because you have such power, such influence. Unfortunately the government has weeded it away from you pretty strongly. But you’re going to get it back. Remember this: If you ever add up, the men and women here are the most important, powerful lobbyists. You’re more powerful. Because you have men and women, you probably have something like 75, 80 percent of the country believing. But you don’t use your power. You don’t use your power.

Donald Trump is no dummy. He knows his audience better than they know themselves. Evangelicals are acutely aware of their waning cultural influence and shrinking share of the population. These religious leaders care about their principles, yes. But they care about something else even more: power. While not every evangelical leader is enthusiastic about Trump, many are starting to express warm feelings toward the candidate. Expect the cascade to continue. Their fawning, fumbling efforts to push Trump into the White House prove that many of them will risk everything to reclaim cultural and political control—even if that means defying their own beliefs."
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/06/trump-and-the-evangelicals-a-match-made-in-well/488552/

Well to get power even Christian evangelicals have to deal with the devil sometimes.

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normiss

Some of his other comments would have you thinking he's creepy.

"she does have a very nice figure. I’ve said if Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her.

“Yeah, she’s really something, and what a beauty, that one. If I weren’t happily married and, ya know, her father . . . ”

“Well, I think that she's got a lot of Marla,” he said.”She's a really beautiful baby, and she's got Marla's legs. We don't know whether she's got this part yet (gestures toward his chest), but time will tell.”

"You know who’s one of the great beauties of the world, according to everybody?” he asked on “The Howard Stern Show.” “And I helped create her. Ivanka. My daughter, Ivanka. She’s 6 feet tall, she’s got the best body.”

This guy is messed up.

And...http://freakoutnation.com/2016/07/everyone-creeped-out-by-donald-trump-touching-his-daughter-video/

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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Trump has made much of his wealth from casinos.

4 bankruptcies, forced to sell his yacht, forced to sell his "airline", lost a few hundred million.
I don't consider that making wealth.

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normiss

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Trump has made much of his wealth from casinos.

4 bankruptcies, forced to sell his yacht, forced to sell his "airline", lost a few hundred million.
I don't consider that making wealth.

Not true!
There were 6 bankruptcies: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jun/21/hillary-clinton/yep-donald-trumps-companies-have-declared-bankrupt/

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[normiss 622]

Is that why he can't get a gaming license in Nevada?
Or is it his mob ties?

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DanG

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I don't really think Trump takes these retaliatory responses seriously. Could be wrong about that. And it's hard to say whether he'll use Presidential powers extra-Constitutionally. I don't believe he'll have the kind of support necessary to do that even if he wanted to. OTOH, I seriously do believe that about Hillary. Could be wrong about that, too.

Wait, so you think the government won't support Trump's attempts to circumvent the Constitution, but they'll let Hillary do anything she wants?

You really need to take a look at why you feel that way. I get the feeling you are not dispassionately examining the candidates as individuals.

The Republican-led Congress has already, and is even now, lining up in opposition to Trump. Unless Trump does something illegal, like using the IRS and Justice Dept. to violate civil rights, he won't be allowed to take advantage of his office. These institutions are generally run by Democrats down the rank and file, so that is unlikely. Even more so if Dems take control. OTOH, government power has already been abused by the Dems. without any meaningful penalty.

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jakee

***Again, I'm not sure if Trump's statements were before or as a result of the McGraw incident. Really don't know, but I doubt that Trump told his supporters to go out and attack protesters without provocation.

From late January:

There may be somebody with tomatoes in the audience. So if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously. Okay? Just knock the hell— I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees. I promise, I promise. It won’t be so much ’cause the courts agree with us too.

Thanks. ....OK, so retaliation against aggravated assault. But, I'd let them throw the tomato first ....just to bolster my case.

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jakee

***Completely aware of Bush's timeline. But the goal was to leave Iraq in a reasonably stable state with a functioning democratic government that represents all factions regardless of any artificial schedule.

Great goal. Was never going to happen. Ever.

Yes, we know that now. We had a commitment to the Iraqi people who stuck their necks out as if we had their backs. But we bailed. That's just what we do now. ....and if stealing oil was the goal, we did a piss-poor job of that, too.

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***Things happen that do not cooperate with schedules and exit strategies. It was very predictable what would happen to Iraq after withdrawal of troops at the time it actually happened.

It was very predictable what would happen when Bush signed the exit agrement. It was very predictable (and was predicted) what would happen from the moment Bush decided to invade!
And what did Bush think about schedules and strategies changing?

Q (As translated.) A question, Mr. Prime Minister and others, you all talked about the various gains that will come as a result of signing this agreement. But just quickly I have one question about the withdrawal of American forces. Is this going to be an accelerated process that will happen quickly and perhaps prematurely?

PRESIDENT BUSH: First of all, we're here at the Iraqi -- at the request of the Iraqi government. It's an elected government. There are certain benchmarks that will be met -- such as troops out of the cities by June of '09. And then there's a benchmark at the end of the agreement.

Big mistake to enter any conflict with an "exit strategy".

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kallend

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was a supporter of Sharia and has advocated as much in his Islamist writings,

Ohhh, scary. Sharia.

Did they mention anything about Halacha, or is only Sharia scary?

Some people shit their pants at the mere sight of the ten commandments.

The ten commandments were ripped off from the Egyptian Book of the Dead ("I have done away sin for thee and not acted fraudulently or deceitfully. I have not belittled God. I have not inflicted pain or caused another to weep. I have not murdered or given such an order. I have not used false balances or scales. I have not purloined (held back) the offerings to the gods. I have not stolen. I have not uttered lies or curses.") and the code of Hammurabi. They are also mirrored in Islam.

Did they rip the parts about worshiping 40+ different gods and casting spells - or the part about fighting off supernatural beasts that guard a series of gates to the afterlife, and all the other beliefs that have fuck-all to do with Judaism?

...but leave it to Kallend to point out the few similarities in how different civilizations thought that lying, stealing and killing were bad things - genius!

I think it's cute how you waste time making truthy comments on these trivial posts that nobody gives a shit about, but ignore our discussion in this very thread about how the vast majority of violent crime has nothing to do with stolen guns - that they are not the problem - and that the increase in the amount of guns has less to do with Obama and more to do with things like concealed carry, hunting and the end of the 10 year assault rifle ban which the DOJ concluded was ineffective in reducing violent crime.

Your focus is muddled.

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

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normiss

Is that why he can't get a gaming license in Nevada?
Or is it his mob ties?

Snopes says it is a false rumor, and the last line of the article states he got one in 2004: http://www.snopes.com/nevada-gaming-denied-trump/

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[normiss 622]

I should know to research everything I read these days, I missed that.
Thanks.

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muff528

******Again, I'm not sure if Trump's statements were before or as a result of the McGraw incident. Really don't know, but I doubt that Trump told his supporters to go out and attack protesters without provocation.

From late January:

There may be somebody with tomatoes in the audience. So if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously. Okay? Just knock the hell— I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees. I promise, I promise. It won’t be so much ’cause the courts agree with us too.

Thanks. ....OK, so retaliation against aggravated assault. But, I'd let them throw the tomato first ....just to bolster my case.

If you want to play with technicalities. But even then he's encouraging illegal behaviour. You can't defend someone else from something that won't hurt them by beating the crap out their would be maybe assailant. It's illegal. Heck, you could probably class it as incitement to riot. But since you started off by saying you thought Trump told his supporters to 'defend themselves from violence directed at them' you've now backed a long way off that.

And since you live in the real world and you know that beating the crap out of someone because they might throw a tomato is not meeting violence with violence, but being the violent aggressor then you know you've lost this one, you just don't have the grace to admit it.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Did they rip the parts about worshiping 40+ different gods and casting spells - or the part about fighting off supernatural beasts that guard a series of gates to the afterlife, and all the other beliefs that have fuck-all to do with Judaism?

What ridiculous beliefs! Christians know there are only three Gods - well, one - well, one that has three parts. And casting spells! We know today that only prayer can supernaturally influence outside events. And there are no such things as supernatural beasts. Just Satan. All those other supernatural beings (angels and such) can't really be described as "beasts." More like supernatural _beings_ really.

And the Egyptian religions talk about creation as starting out with lifeless waters, then land appearing, then the Sun to provide light, then the sky. Nothing like Judaism. The Sun comes before land in Judaism!

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Yes, we know that now.

We knew it in 2003. Well, everyone but Bush, Blair and their blind supporters knew it.

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We had a commitment to the Iraqi people who stuck their necks out as if we had their backs.

There was a commitment to do what Iraq wanted us to do, and that was to leave.

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Big mistake to enter any conflict with an "exit strategy".

But Bush had a brilliant exit strategy! Bomb the shit out of the infrastructure. Invade. Receive flowers from locals. Rebuild infrastructure from scratch while all locals express only their gratitude. Send the troops home riding unicorns over a bridge of rainbows.

Can't understand where it went wrong. Must be Obama's fault.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?