So, my thread has been blocked...

[StreetScooby 5]

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Who are you going to have that conversation with?

Cottage-officers, congressmen, and editors of papers to start.

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And why focus only on black criminals, when you could focus on criminals at large?

The focus here is that small fraction of blacks, where blacks in total make up 13% of the population of America, who commit 50% of the crime in America.

The Obama administration has legitimized the "grievances" of this small population such that their sympathizers are hunting cops.

That's the conversation America needs to have, and it needs to have it badly.

How many times do I need to say this? Is that description I'm using too long? Why hasn't that set in here? Thus my point that we need some concise and unambiguous term/phrase to describe that small fraction of blacks who commit 50% of the crime in America. And we really have not made any progress on that front in this thread, other than billvon calling me a hate monger. That's sad, it could not be more wrong, and it's pathetic.

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If it's because you want someone else to fix their problems, then figure out which of yours need fixing, too, so it's not just another demand from a white guy who assumes that because he's white, his voice deserves to be listened to.

You are now a certified liberal.

Your contribution there is utter hogwash.

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[StreetScooby 5]

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Because it's one of the few things that white males, (or whites in general), with their generally greater power, don't get to decide. Live with it. It's one of the few things that white guys aren't in charge of in the US.

Your teeth must be purple from drinking all that kool-aid.

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[DanG 1]

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The entire point of this thread has been how to refer to that small fraction of the 13% of blacks who are responsible for 50% of the crime in America.

Silly me. I thought you wanted to discuss how to improve the situation. Sorry, won't happen again.

- Dan G

[wolfriverjoe 1,340]

StreetScooby

The Obama administration has legitimized the "grievances" of this small population such that their sympathizers are hunting cops.

You keep saying this.

The "grievances" are of the entire black population. How they are treated (partly as a result of the actions of the "small population) as a whole.

Those grievances are long held and legitimate.

I have yet to hear any statements by Obama or any government official that come anywhere close to "advocating violence".

Trump's comments on a number of occasions have been a lot more inflammatory.

And what cops are "being hunted"?

Seriously. There have been a handful of incidents (3 in the past couple of months), all of which resulted in dead "hunters".

That's a long way from "hunting" in my book.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

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[Bolas 5]

wmw999

Because it's one of the few things that white males, (or whites in general), with their generally greater power, don't get to decide. Live with it. It's one of the few things that white guys aren't in charge of in the US.

Wendy P.

Not saying it's up to white males to decide, nor should it be.

The only way we're ever going to have true equality is for all to be treated equally regardless of their DNA. The best way to do this is to stop using DNA groups for all government reporting. One's DNA should only be used for physical descriptions. Beyond that, it's irrelevant for all data collections.

Do we have a problem with violent black people? No. We have a problem with uneducated inner-city poor criminals from broken homes that had no role models that value neither their lives nor others.

Do men make more than women at the same job? No. They tend to choose different professions and additionally may leave the workforce for a while for family.

This is why DNA-based evidence is irrelevant as all it leads to is people proposing solutions to "fix" what appear to be inequalities based off incomplete data.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
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[Bolas 5]

wolfriverjoe

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The Obama administration has legitimized the "grievances" of this small population such that their sympathizers are hunting cops.

You keep saying this.

The "grievances" are of the entire black population. How they are treated (partly as a result of the actions of the "small population) as a whole.

Those grievances are long held and legitimate.

I have yet to hear any statements by Obama or any government official that come anywhere close to "advocating violence".

Trump's comments on a number of occasions have been a lot more inflammatory.

And what cops are "being hunted"?

Seriously. There have been a handful of incidents (3 in the past couple of months), all of which resulted in dead "hunters".

That's a long way from "hunting" in my book.

If BLM, a blatantly racist organization did not exist or was not given support by the President and the Democratic Party, the chances of the Dallas shooting happening would have been minuscule. When the poster boy for your organization is a criminal who was shot while attacking a cop...

Hell, if Obama had just stated that while he looked like the younger picture of Trayvon, he never looked or acted like his current pictures that would've helped too.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[billvon 2,396]

>I'm not concerned with situational double standards. I'm concerned with double
>standards based solely on the speakers DNA.

OK. Then let's go back to my example.

Two female teammates call each other "bitch" which is a sexist term specific to people with one sort of DNA (two X chromosomes to be exact.) If a stranger called them that on the DZ they would, at best, be escorted off the DZ.

That is a double standard based solely on the speakers DNA. So I assume you would be concerned about this.

What would your solution be? To outlaw the use of "bitch?" Or to tell all your female friends that they will be called bitches by strangers, and they better get used to it?

[Bolas 5]

billvon

>I'm not concerned with situational double standards. I'm concerned with double
>standards based solely on the speakers DNA.

OK. Then let's go back to my example.

Two female teammates call each other "bitch" which is a sexist term specific to people with one sort of DNA (two X chromosomes to be exact.) If a stranger called them that on the DZ they would, at best, be escorted off the DZ.

That is a double standard based solely on the speakers DNA. So I assume you would be concerned about this.

What would your solution be? To outlaw the use of "bitch?" Or to tell all your female friends that they will be called bitches by strangers, and they better get used to it?

It's far simpler than that. If a group member deems a word describing them to be an insult, demeaning, or a slur if they don't want people to use it they either shouldn't use it themselves or not get offended when others do.

Basically if somebody chooses to self identify with a word, why should others not be able to use that word to describe them?

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
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[wmw999 2,121]

Dude, you don't get to decide that, either Personally, I think you should start writing letters to the editor with "nigger" in them. It won't get the results you're hoping for from everyone (which is probably people shaking their heads in agreement and saying things like "man that guy know where it's at -- maybe we should consult him on stuff"), but a certain segment will be cheering you.

I don't know if you're a skydiving instructor, or any kind of teacher, but back when I was, the mantra was "if the student failed to learn, the teacher probably failed to communicate." The 'probably' in there acknowledged that some people aren't cut out for skydiving. The recommendation to me was to cut out the swearing and reduce the number of big words. I didn't rail against the unfairness of the recommendation, I just figured that it was a better approach.

That same approach works for most communication. It's up to the one wishing to communicate to get the message out, not the recipients to interpret it. A rule of writing in uncomfortable grammatical situations is "real writers write around the problem."

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[RonD1120 58]

The following link is from a black male specifically discussing your main topic, 13% of the black males commit over 50% of all the murders. He refers to them by the forbidden word.

I tried to discuss this topic back channel with one of our more staunch PC posters and he blocked my messages, refers to me as insane and a racist.

WARNING: This video may be offensive to you and not suitable for work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwCCj8Dx-gk

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[StreetScooby 5]

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Silly me. I thought you wanted to discuss how to improve the situation. Sorry, won't happen again.

I most certainly am not looking to make it worse...

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[StreetScooby 5]

He's having the conversation that I think needs to be had. And he's a talk show host, with a web site to boot. Thanks for the post.

I've been looking around his stuff. He seems to have made it his life business to talk about this. Wow. He's much better at this than I could ever hope to be. I think I'm going to follow this guy for a little while.

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[StreetScooby 5]

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It's up to the one wishing to communicate to get the message out, not the recipients to interpret it.

Agreed, 100%.

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[freakbrother 0]

StreetScooby

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Why is the ability to call these people niggers so important to you?

The entire point of this thread has been how to refer to that small fraction of the 13% of blacks who are responsible for 50% of the crime in America.

"Criminals" would seem to fit the requirement.

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[StreetScooby 5]

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"Criminals" would seem to fit the requirement.

This thread has proven to me that there is no way for white people to have this conversation without being branded as a hate monger.

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[wolfriverjoe 1,340]

StreetScooby

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"Criminals" would seem to fit the requirement.

This thread has proven to me that there is no way for white people to have this conversation without being branded as a hate monger.

When you use words that are generally considered "hateful" and "racist" when used by white people, then it's kind of hard not to see you as a "hate monger."

Words have meaning. They also have connotation.

It's very hard to see you use particular words without seeing the connotation, even if that's not how you mean them.

There are people on here who claim that they aren't racist, yet from what they post and how they phrase things, it's very hard (impossible) to not see them as racist.

They may not think they are, they may not mean to be, but they certainly come across that way.

The incident at OU with the SAE fraternity a couple years back is a good example of this. Despite singing about "niggers never joining SAE", one of the students caught up in this claimed that he never meant to be racist.

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StreetScooby

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"Criminals" would seem to fit the requirement.

This thread has proven to me that there is no way for white people to have this conversation without being branded as a hate monger.

Just stop being so dishonest. It is abundantly clear you want to use racial slurs. Obviously you use them whenever you can get away with it in your private life. Stop pretending you are offended by people thinking you are a "hate mongerer". You know very well how you truly feel. Your fake indignation is completely transparent. You know you are racist but you feel justified so you are trying to make an end-around argument. Be fucking honest for once. Just say how you feel. Personally, I think you are a piece of shit. Actually, I know it. I feel better. Your turn.

[billvon 2,396]

And your one warning. Cut it out.

[Bolas 5]

wolfriverjoe

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"Criminals" would seem to fit the requirement.

This thread has proven to me that there is no way for white people to have this conversation without being branded as a hate monger.

When you use words that are generally considered "hateful" and "racist" when used by white people, then it's kind of hard not to see you as a "hate monger."


How is that not also racist?

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[billvon 2,396]

>How is that not also racist?

Same reason that "bitch" when used between two female friends is not sexist - but is when used towards a woman by a stranger (usually a man.)

[StreetScooby 5]

This has become an emotionally charged thread, for which there seems to be no words whites are allowed to use in attempts to discuss that small fraction within the 13% of America's population that are black, who are in turn responsible for 50% of the crime in America.

And that is far from a reasonably unambiguous and concise description of the issue.

That is the goal of this thread.

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[Bolas 5]

billvon

>How is that not also racist?

Same reason that "bitch" when used between two female friends is not sexist - but is when used towards a woman by a stranger (usually a man.)

Here's an easy test for any group -ism.

If it's a word, if it was spoken by a heterosexual white man, would it be offensive to that group? Then it's an offensive word for all.

If the group name contains references to race, sex, and/or orientation, change them to heterosexual white man as appropriate. Does the new name sound racist? Then it's racist.

Ex: White Lives Matter
Congressional White Caucus
National Organization for Men (NOM)
Black Lesbian Women Alliance - White Heterosexual Men Alliance
Feminist - Masculinist?

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
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[BartsDaddy 4]

billvon

>How is that not also racist?

Same reason that "bitch" when used between two female friends is not sexist - but is when used towards a woman by a stranger (usually a man.)

No your example is based off of friendship or stranger not race.

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wolfriverjoe

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The incident at OU with the SAE fraternity a couple years back is a good example of this. Despite singing about "niggers never joining SAE", one of the students caught up in this claimed that he never meant to be racist.

Just diverting a bit from the main topic ....When this story broke, it reminded me of a personal, or rather "first-hand" experience from about 1970 that related almost directly to this recent incident. Similar situation but differing a bit in details. But no specific suspicions or speculations from that time could be verified, and I'll offer none now. The matter was just dropped and forgotten, and all who were affected moved on. When I heard this story, my suspicions (and those of a few others) were somewhat vindicated.

Carry on.....

[billvon 2,396]

>No your example is based off of friendship or stranger not race.

Ding ding! You got it in one!

And THAT will continue. And no amount of people saying "but if two friends can say 'nigger' to each other, then I should be able to call them 'niggers' too!" will change that.