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leg·a·cy
ˈleɡəsē/
noun
noun: legacy; plural noun: legacies
2.
a thing handed down by a predecessor.
"the legacy of centuries of neglect"
synonyms: consequence, effect, upshot, spin-off, repercussion, aftermath, by-product, result
"a legacy of the wars"

If Obamacare collapses before he leaves office, will it still be part of his legacy?

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/05/financially-unstable-connecticut-obamacare-co-op-now-under-state-supervision.html

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Given that it won't, I'd venture a 'yes'.



I would agree with you, it is only about half dead, so Obama will be safely out of office by the time Obamacare meets its just and predictable demise. Which is a shame because he wasted all of his political capital in the first year of his Presidency on Obamacare. Had he focused on entitlement and tax reform, he could have gone down as one of the greats. :(

http://www.iwf.org/blog/2800704/Three-Ways-ObamaCare-is-Failing

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brenthutch

***Given that it won't, I'd venture a 'yes'.



I would agree with you, it is only about half dead, so Obama will be safely out of office by the time Obamacare meets its just and predictable demise. Which is a shame because he wasted all of his political capital in the first year of his Presidency on Obamacare. Had he focused on entitlement and tax reform, he could have gone down as one of the greats. :(

http://www.iwf.org/blog/2800704/Three-Ways-ObamaCare-is-Failing

The legacy of Obamacare is that in the end it will be the first step in the journey to real socialized medicine in America. Canadian style. You're welcome.
Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

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******Given that it won't, I'd venture a 'yes'.



I would agree with you, it is only about half dead, so Obama will be safely out of office by the time Obamacare meets its just and predictable demise. Which is a shame because he wasted all of his political capital in the first year of his Presidency on Obamacare. Had he focused on entitlement and tax reform, he could have gone down as one of the greats. :(

http://www.iwf.org/blog/2800704/Three-Ways-ObamaCare-is-Failing

The legacy of Obamacare is that in the end it will be the first step in the journey to real socialized medicine in America. Canadian style. You're welcome.

So one day the US will be as great as Canada... Or Belgium for that matter. Thanks? [:/]

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So one day the US will be as great as Canada... Or Belgium for that matter. Thanks?



America needs Canada. It gives young men a safe place to hide from the draft when your war machine gets over revved up.
Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

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So one day the US will be as great as Canada... Or Belgium for that matter. Thanks?



America needs Canada. It gives young men a safe place to hide from the draft when your war machine gets over revved up.



Obviously you have been partaking of too much medicinal marijuana. We have not had a draft for nearly a half a century. Although I know that to burned out aging hippies, it seems like just yesterday.

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So one day the US will be as great as Canada... Or Belgium for that matter. Thanks?



America needs Canada. It gives young men a safe place to hide from the draft when your war machine gets over revved up.



Obviously you have been partaking of too much medicinal marijuana. We have not had a draft for nearly a half a century. Although I know that to burned out aging hippies, it seems like just yesterday.


I just turned 59, so maybe so. But your young men still are required to register for selective service. And Canada is still here to be the refuge of choice. Maybe you'll come here to escape living under the new Clinton regime.
Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

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so Obama will be safely out of office by the time Obamacare meets its just and predictable demise. Which is a shame because he wasted all of his political capital in the first year of his Presidency on Obamacare. Had he focused on entitlement and tax reform, he could have gone down as one of the greats.



Had he spent his time on reducing entitlements and tax reform, he would be labeled by the GOP as the president who killed thousands of Americans through his negligent gutting of support programs for the most needy - and he would also be crucified for NOT reforming health care.

Obamacare will certainly change going forward (it already has) but it is too late to kill; it has done too much good for too many people to be abandoned completely.

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so Obama will be safely out of office by the time Obamacare meets its just and predictable demise. Which is a shame because he wasted all of his political capital in the first year of his Presidency on Obamacare. Had he focused on entitlement and tax reform, he could have gone down as one of the greats.



Had he spent his time on reducing entitlements and tax reform, he would be labeled by the GOP as the president who killed thousands of Americans through his negligent gutting of support programs for the most needy - and he would also be crucified for NOT reforming health care.

Obamacare will certainly change going forward (it already has) but it is too late to kill; it has done too much good for too many people to be abandoned completely.



When Obama took office he had tremendous support and a war chest of political capital. The stimulus package, S-CHIP, Ledbetter, all passed with bipartisan support. His approval rate was north of 65%. He pissed it all away. First, with his failed attempt to close Gitmo and then by shoving Obamacare down the throat of the American public (who never approved of it). He was subsequently rewarded by loosening the House of Representatives and then the Senate. The only people that are currently being helped by Obamacare, are the "free stuff from the Government" crowd. The young, healthy and wealthy are not enrolling the old, sick and poor are.
So....put that in your actuarial tables and smoke it!

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So one day the US will be as great as Canada... Or Belgium for that matter. Thanks?



America needs Canada. It gives young men a safe place to hide from the draft when your war machine gets over revved up.



Obviously you have been partaking of too much medicinal marijuana. We have not had a draft for nearly a half a century. Although I know that to burned out aging hippies, it seems like just yesterday.


I just turned 59, so maybe so. But your young men still are required to register for selective service. And Canada is still here to be the refuge of choice. Maybe you'll come here to escape living under the new Clinton regime.

I'm glad you are so proud to be the home of so many criminals and traitors. Good for you.
I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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The only people that are currently being helped by Obamacare, are the "free stuff from the Government" crowd.



Yes, those "free stuff from the government" people who were denied coverage because of preexisting conditions:

http://khn.org/news/preexisting-condition-consumers-insurance-obamacare-marketplaces/
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So one day the US will be as great as Canada... Or Belgium for that matter. Thanks?



America needs Canada. It gives young men a safe place to hide from the draft when your war machine gets over revved up.



Obviously you have been partaking of too much medicinal marijuana. We have not had a draft for nearly a half a century. Although I know that to burned out aging hippies, it seems like just yesterday.


I just turned 59, so maybe so. But your young men still are required to register for selective service. And Canada is still here to be the refuge of choice. Maybe you'll come here to escape living under the new Clinton regime.

I'm glad you are so proud to be the home of so many criminals and traitors. Good for you.

The USA has the world's largest prison population.
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*********Given that it won't, I'd venture a 'yes'.



I would agree with you, it is only about half dead, so Obama will be safely out of office by the time Obamacare meets its just and predictable demise. Which is a shame because he wasted all of his political capital in the first year of his Presidency on Obamacare. Had he focused on entitlement and tax reform, he could have gone down as one of the greats. :(

http://www.iwf.org/blog/2800704/Three-Ways-ObamaCare-is-Failing

The legacy of Obamacare is that in the end it will be the first step in the journey to real socialized medicine in America. Canadian style. You're welcome.

So one day the US will be as great as Canada... Or Belgium for that matter. Thanks? [:/]

www.facebook.com/techinsider/videos/534267343438293/
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***The only people that are currently being helped by Obamacare, are the "free stuff from the Government" crowd.



Yes, those "free stuff from the government" people who were denied coverage because of preexisting conditions:

http://khn.org/news/preexisting-condition-consumers-insurance-obamacare-marketplaces/

Yes that would be the "sick" component of "old, sick and poor"

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************Given that it won't, I'd venture a 'yes'.



I would agree with you, it is only about half dead, so Obama will be safely out of office by the time Obamacare meets its just and predictable demise. Which is a shame because he wasted all of his political capital in the first year of his Presidency on Obamacare. Had he focused on entitlement and tax reform, he could have gone down as one of the greats. :(

http://www.iwf.org/blog/2800704/Three-Ways-ObamaCare-is-Failing

The legacy of Obamacare is that in the end it will be the first step in the journey to real socialized medicine in America. Canadian style. You're welcome.

So one day the US will be as great as Canada... Or Belgium for that matter. Thanks? [:/]

www.facebook.com/techinsider/videos/534267343438293/

Hard to believe people would want to live in those socialist hell holes.

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******The only people that are currently being helped by Obamacare, are the "free stuff from the Government" crowd.



Yes, those "free stuff from the government" people who were denied coverage because of preexisting conditions:

http://khn.org/news/preexisting-condition-consumers-insurance-obamacare-marketplaces/

Yes that would be the "sick" component of "old, sick and poor"

Wrong again.
I was denied coverage by a clueless insurance company for a "preexisting condition" that was not even a preexisting condition, just because they were too clueless to even understand the difference between a chronic condition and a one-time illness.
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I'm glad you are so proud to be the home of so many criminals and traitors. Good for you.



I wish they had stayed. Most of them went home when Carter pardoned them.
Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

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******The only people that are currently being helped by Obamacare, are the "free stuff from the Government" crowd.



Yes, those "free stuff from the government" people who were denied coverage because of preexisting conditions:

http://khn.org/news/preexisting-condition-consumers-insurance-obamacare-marketplaces/

Yes that would be the "sick" component of "old, sick and poor"

So... it's not a good thing that old and sick people are being helped more than young and healthy people by Obamacare? Because, y'know, I kinda thought that was the whole point of medicine in general.

Similarly, helping poor people who didn't have good coverage get better coverage was, I believe, closer to the intention of Obamacare than helping rich people with good coverage get even better coverage.

Sorta thought that was obvious...
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************Given that it won't, I'd venture a 'yes'.



I would agree with you, it is only about half dead, so Obama will be safely out of office by the time Obamacare meets its just and predictable demise. Which is a shame because he wasted all of his political capital in the first year of his Presidency on Obamacare. Had he focused on entitlement and tax reform, he could have gone down as one of the greats. :(

http://www.iwf.org/blog/2800704/Three-Ways-ObamaCare-is-Failing

The legacy of Obamacare is that in the end it will be the first step in the journey to real socialized medicine in America. Canadian style. You're welcome.

So one day the US will be as great as Canada... Or Belgium for that matter. Thanks? [:/]

www.facebook.com/techinsider/videos/534267343438293/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/01/20/these-are-the-worlds-best-countries-sorry-america-youre-number-4/

Obama's approval rating is only 2% lower than Regan at this same time in his presidency:http://www.gallup.com/poll/116479/barack-obama-presidential-job-approval.aspx

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*********The only people that are currently being helped by Obamacare, are the "free stuff from the Government" crowd.



Yes, those "free stuff from the government" people who were denied coverage because of preexisting conditions:

http://khn.org/news/preexisting-condition-consumers-insurance-obamacare-marketplaces/

Yes that would be the "sick" component of "old, sick and poor"

So... it's not a good thing that old and sick people are being helped more than young and healthy people by Obamacare? Because, y'know, I kinda thought that was the whole point of medicine in general.

Similarly, helping poor people who didn't have good coverage get better coverage was, I believe, closer to the intention of Obamacare than helping rich people with good coverage get even better coverage.

Sorta thought that was obvious...

You need to understand the American right wing white man. When he says "poor" in this context, he is speaking code. He means urban, and black or brown. And "those people" are all about living off the backs of society. Racial hatred is at the root of America's lack of universal healthcare.
Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

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I'm glad you are so proud to be the home of so many criminals and traitors. Good for you.



I wish they had stayed. Most of them went home when Carter pardoned them.



You were speaking in future terms.

Glad to hear you are up to the challenge of harboring fugitives and aiding and abetting criminals. Again, good for you. Gotta love those morals.
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Glad to hear you are up to the challenge of harboring fugitives and aiding and abetting criminals. Again, good for you. Gotta love those morals.



You're welcome. I'm happy to help out any refugees of the military industrial complex that Eisenhower warned you about.
Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

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************The only people that are currently being helped by Obamacare, are the "free stuff from the Government" crowd.



Yes, those "free stuff from the government" people who were denied coverage because of preexisting conditions:

http://khn.org/news/preexisting-condition-consumers-insurance-obamacare-marketplaces/

Yes that would be the "sick" component of "old, sick and poor"

So... it's not a good thing that old and sick people are being helped more than young and healthy people by Obamacare? Because, y'know, I kinda thought that was the whole point of medicine in general.

Similarly, helping poor people who didn't have good coverage get better coverage was, I believe, closer to the intention of Obamacare than helping rich people with good coverage get even better coverage.

Sorta thought that was obvious...

You need to understand the American right wing white man. When he says "poor" in this context, he is speaking code. He means urban, and black or brown. And "those people" are all about living off the backs of society. Racial hatred is at the root of America's lack of universal healthcare.

No I mean those on Medicaid and those getting subsidies, only a racist bigot would equate economic status with race.

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