SkyDekker 1,101 #101 June 29, 2016 brenthutchBecause.......Science You don't believe in science. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,611 #102 June 29, 2016 brenthutchBecause.......Science When did Guns and Ammo become a science journal?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,611 #103 June 29, 2016 brenthutch******>If anyone is guilty of plagiarism, it is Guns and Ammo. Why do you say that? Is it because you copied it from Guns and Ammo? If so, that's the first time you have admitted that. Congratulations for finally deciding to come clean after 78 posts. Better late than never I guess. Why is how the information so important. This seems like just a distraction from what you don't want to admit. So fucking what - it was a paraphrase - and yes, anyone with a brain can see the statements are not exactly identical, but they are both correct in spirit and meaning. Sorry you don't like the message - but it is what it is. Sorry you have to now try to find a way to discredit a government organization. Get over the stupid semantics of the issue and address the content of what the CDC actually did say. They can't process the information, their collective minds are blown and their panties are firmly bunched. They feel confused and betrayed, the CDC report was not supposed to come out that way. Kallend, per usual, has to resort to ad hominem attacks as he lacks the capacity to engage on an intellectual level, and BillV can't get beyond Guns and Ammo. How EXACTLY is pointing out your plagiarism an "ad hominem attack"? I think you need a better dictionary.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,611 #104 June 29, 2016 QuoteTake time out from grading 19 year old's papers at your community college Says the individual who accuses me of making ad hominem attacks.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #105 June 29, 2016 Wow the CDC report must have really left a mark. More than 100 posts and you guys are still playing the man and not the ball. I know it is tough, science was, once and for all, going to put an end to the gun debate and it backfired, just acknowledge it and we can move on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #106 June 29, 2016 kallend***Because.......Science When did Guns and Ammo become a science journal? Approximately 90% of his post consisted of direct quotes from the CDC. The other 10% consisted of brief summaries of those quotes from G&A to encourage people to read, lest they remain willfully ignorant. If you had anything constructive to say against the data, you would - but you don't, because you can't.Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #107 June 29, 2016 SkyDekkerSo you got it from Facebook Yes, he got it from facebook - a private entity within a global communication network that allows carbon units to share information - even factual information that you don't want to hear.Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,611 #108 June 29, 2016 Coreeece***So you got it from Facebook Yes, he got it from facebook - a private entity within a global communication network that allows carbon units to share information - even factual information that you don't want to hear. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. If you believe what you read on Facebook, it explains a lot of your other beliefs.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #109 June 29, 2016 kallend******So you got it from Facebook Yes, he got it from facebook - a private entity within a global communication network that allows carbon units to share information - even factual information that you don't want to hear. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. If you believe what you read on Facebook, it explains a lot of your other beliefs. So you don't believe the CDC info because it was posted on facebook?Sounds like a bad excuse for willfull ignorance. . .Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tikl68 6 #110 June 30, 2016 You keep saying this is a case of plagiarism. It's not in my definition. In today's technological time's the internet and social media sites like Face book are hyped up as way's to get more information to more of the population faster and way's to communicate. That's what he did. He shared information on an device made for that and said right away where he got it from.He did not lead me to believe in any way that this was his work. Nor is he a reporter trying to earn a paycheck, or one of your students turning in a paper and trying to get credit for it as his own. And yes I looked up the definition of plagiarism on the computer, using google, and it took me to dictionary.com. Don't want to be accused of plagiarism. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,611 #111 June 30, 2016 Coreeece*********So you got it from Facebook Yes, he got it from facebook - a private entity within a global communication network that allows carbon units to share information - even factual information that you don't want to hear. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. If you believe what you read on Facebook, it explains a lot of your other beliefs. So you don't believe the CDC info because it was posted on facebook?Sounds like a bad excuse for willfull ignorance. . . What brenthutch copied word-for-word (and without attribution or any indication that he had copied it) from Facebook was not from the CDC. It was itself copied word-for-word from a three year old article in Guns and Ammo. Brenthutch even admitted when challenged that he didn't know its source yet he posted it anyway as if it were objective truth.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,611 #112 June 30, 2016 brenthutchBecause.......Science Here's some science for you: www.eurekalert.org/images/2016climateletter6-28-16.pdf... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,101 #113 June 30, 2016 brenthutchWow the CDC report must have really left a mark. More than 100 posts and you guys are still playing the man and not the ball. I know it is tough, science was, once and for all, going to put an end to the gun debate and it backfired, just acknowledge it and we can move on. It is 3 years old. Why are you now bringing it forward as this earth shattering scientific study putting an end to the gun debate? If that was the case, wouldn't the debate have ended 3 years ago when this report actually came out? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,889 #114 June 30, 2016 What ball? If you want to get down to brass tacks you have to say something. All you did was post a summary of the points G&A decided to focus on, three years ago, and then call it "shocking". Just what point would you like to address in this forum? Bring some focus if you want real discussion.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #115 June 30, 2016 No that is a ham-fisted attempt of obfuscation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,611 #116 June 30, 2016 SkyDekker***Wow the CDC report must have really left a mark. More than 100 posts and you guys are still playing the man and not the ball. I know it is tough, science was, once and for all, going to put an end to the gun debate and it backfired, just acknowledge it and we can move on. It is 3 years old. Why are you now bringing it forward as this earth shattering scientific study putting an end to the gun debate? If that was the case, wouldn't the debate have ended 3 years ago when this report actually came out? And one wonders why the NRA backed 1996 ban on the CDC doing research on gun violence has continued under the GOP controlled Congress (which refused to fund Obama's request for the research to resume), if the CDC really finds that guns are so good for us.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #117 June 30, 2016 kallend******Wow the CDC report must have really left a mark. More than 100 posts and you guys are still playing the man and not the ball. I know it is tough, science was, once and for all, going to put an end to the gun debate and it backfired, just acknowledge it and we can move on. It is 3 years old. Why are you now bringing it forward as this earth shattering scientific study putting an end to the gun debate? If that was the case, wouldn't the debate have ended 3 years ago when this report actually came out? And one wonders why the NRA backed 1996 ban on the CDC doing research on gun violence has continued under the GOP controlled Congress (which refused to fund Obama's request for the research to resume), if the CDC really finds that guns are so good for us. That is why the result were "shocking" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #118 June 30, 2016 QuoteWhat ball? http://matthiasmedia.com/briefing/2013/03/playing-the-man-and-not-the-ball-2/ Basically Kallend's go-to move, attack the person when the facts are working against you. Keep shouting "Facebook!" and "Plagiarism!" and do not discuss the facts in the CDC study. Derek V Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,101 #119 June 30, 2016 HooknswoopQuoteWhat ball? http://matthiasmedia.com/briefing/2013/03/playing-the-man-and-not-the-ball-2/ Basically Kallend's go-to move, attack the person when the facts are working against you. Keep shouting "Facebook!" and "Plagiarism!" and do not discuss the facts in the CDC study. Derek V What a load of utter crap. Don't people know how to scroll anymore? Brent posted first. Kallend then posted a WaPo article with the opposing view. Rush played the man. Brent didn't want to deal with the opposing view and called it biased, probably not realizing what he copied from Facebook wasn't from CDC but from Guns and Ammo. And we are off to the races.... (just scroll up, it is all there to see, really not that difficult.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,611 #120 June 30, 2016 HooknswoopQuoteWhat ball? http://matthiasmedia.com/briefing/2013/03/playing-the-man-and-not-the-ball-2/ Basically Kallend's go-to move, attack the person when the facts are working against you. Keep shouting "Facebook!" and "Plagiarism!" and do not discuss the facts in the CDC study. Derek V Rubbish. The OP was not about the CDC study, it was a plagiarized 3 year old spin job from G&A. Pointing out that it was plagiarized is not a PA.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #121 June 30, 2016 QuoteRubbish. The OP was not about the CDC study, it was a plagiarized 3 year old spin job from G&A. Pointing out that it was plagiarized is not a PA. BillVon was kind enough to post a link to the CDC study. We can discuss the CDC study or the other nonsense. One choice is productive, the other is not. Derek V Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #122 July 2, 2016 HooknswoopQuoteRubbish. The OP was not about the CDC study, it was a plagiarized 3 year old spin job from G&A. Pointing out that it was plagiarized is not a PA. BillVon was kind enough to post a link to the CDC study. We can discuss the CDC study or the other nonsense. One choice is productive, the other is not. Derek V The last thing Kallend, and others, want to discuss, is the Obama's administration's CDC report. This is what they think of the CDC report: (replace Sith with NRA), https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QiZNSzWIaLo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites