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Today is the Brexit vote. We have lots of bets going, what do you think?

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>Who are the elitists?
Everyone he doesn't like.

>How does the EU help them?
By surviving. Some conservatives see the EU as an evil socialist plot to forge unity among socialist countries.

>How does the EU hurt everyone else?
By not failing. If they failed, conservatives could point and laugh. Their continued non-failure robs them of that enjoyment.

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Not so sure it works well. So far I've heard of at least 2 polling stations (Bromley, Linslade) with incomplete voter lists, and that's just through direct contacts. Also, the postal ballot is open to abuse and AFAIK they haven't ironed that out.
Anne

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kallend

***Just voted a couple hours ago. I’m still amazed that even in central London in 2016, there is zero technology in our voting process. The people at the ballot stations have clipboards with printouts of the electoral roll for the area; they cross your name out with a #2 pencil and hand you a slip of paper (which you mark with a pencil) and drop it in a cardboard box – not a computer in sight, but it works.



Easier to commit and hide vote fraud with computer systems.

Our little mini-conspiracy today was something like #bringapen. Our resident tinfoil hat crowd were saying that MI6 is behind a govt led action to stay in the EU and would be erasing pencil-marked leave votes and changing them to remain - made me think of RushMC.

edit: here it is: https://twitter.com/search?q=%23bringapen
"Pain is the best instructor, but no one wants to attend his classes"

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This google link is beginning to show results: https://www.google.com/search?q=brexit+vote&oq=brexit+vote&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i61j69i60l2.3247j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

About 19:1 to stay, so far, with 0.3% reporting.
"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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And Farage appears to have conceded:

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Ukip leader Nigel Farage has told the Press Association he thinks Britain has voted to stay in the European Union based on "what I know from some of my friends in the financial markets who have done some big polling".
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Nigel Farage conceded defeat within seconds of the polls closing in the crucial EU referendum tonight - and Boris Johnson is also said to have admitted the Brexit side he has lost.

The Ukip leader made the extraordinary statement as voting came to an end at 10pm following a day in which storms and torrential rain disrupted much of the south. However, it is not thought to have deterred people from turning out to register their view at the ballot box.
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ryoder

This google link is beginning to show results: https://www.google.com/search?q=brexit+vote&oq=brexit+vote&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i61j69i60l2.3247j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

About 19:1 to stay, so far, with 0.3% reporting.



Yeah, that wasn't a very representative sample. ;)

http://www.bbc.com/news/politics/eu_referendum/results
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A Milkmaid had been out to milk the cows and was returning from the field with the shining milk pail balanced nicely on her head. As she walked along, her pretty head was busy with plans for the days to come.

"This good, rich milk," she mused, "will give me plenty of cream to churn. The butter I make I will take to market, and with the money I get for it I will buy a lot of eggs for hatching. How nice it will be when they are all hatched and the yard is full of fine young chicks. Then when May day comes I will sell them, and with the money I'll buy a lovely new dress to wear to the fair. All the young men will look at me. They will come and try to make love to me,—but I shall very quickly send them about their business!"

As she thought of how she would settle that matter, she tossed her head scornfully, and down fell the pail of milk to the ground. And all the milk flowed out, and with it vanished butter and eggs and chicks and new dress and all the milkmaid's pride.

Do not count your chickens before they are hatched.
Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

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This is like a bad dream; I was dumbfounded when I saw the news this morning. We’re fucked and this will also affect others far from our shores This will be the beginning of several years of pain.

Please don’t give congrats, you should feel sorry for the UK (I sure do).
"Pain is the best instructor, but no one wants to attend his classes"

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RMK

This is like a bad dream; I was dumbfounded when I saw the news this morning. We’re fucked and this will also affect others far from our shores This will be the beginning of several years of pain.

Please don’t give congrats, you should feel sorry for the UK (I sure do).



It's a lonely feeling, I know. . .

David Gilmour - "There's No Way Out Of Here"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ewq73ADlEg


But don't despair, there's hope - I promise.
Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

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The first Brexit was in 1534. Tonight's decision merely ratifies that historical precedent. Henry made his decision to be with Anne and past and future wives would need to take a back seat--especially those wives of continental European extraction (Anne herself was a proud Englishwoman).

The short and long of it is that tonight was Anne Boleyn's night.

Now if only the Brits could wind down the night in perfect style by dealing effectively with that rat faced illegal alien from America who was found in Scotland tonight it would be a truly perfect night for the Union Jack and Her Majesty.
"It's hard to have fun at 4-way unless your whole team gets down to the ground safely to do it again!"--Northern California Skydiving League re USPA Safety Day, March 8, 2014

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RMK

This is like a bad dream; I was dumbfounded when I saw the news this morning. We’re fucked and this will also affect others far from our shores This will be the beginning of several years of pain.

Please don’t give congrats, you should feel sorry for the UK (I sure do).



There may be a Black Swan about.

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This is interesting;
Sinn Fein calling for a poll on unifying Ireland.
(Ireland is in the EU).

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-northern-ireland-eu-referendum-result-latest-live-border-poll-united-martin-mcguinness-a7099276.html
"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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RMK

This is like a bad dream; I was dumbfounded when I saw the news this morning. We’re fucked and this will also affect others far from our shores This will be the beginning of several years of pain.

Please don’t give congrats, you should feel sorry for the UK (I sure do).



No
this is a good deal
The people are frustrated

I heard some data this AM (on my way to work)
London voted overwhelmingly to stay.

Then they talked about an area of the very poor. (some housing complex of some kind) These poor people voted by a large margin to leave as did the rural and less affluent areas.

Now, maybe, these people will have a chance to have their wishes heard by their government.
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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mr2mk1g

Bugger.



Change is hard

your country now has an opportunity not often seen.

What is done now will be very important

The people need to be involved and make their wishes known.

I think in the end the EU was going to fall apart at some point anyway.
Being the first may be the least painful

I wish you all the best in this time of change
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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rushmc


No
this is a good deal
The people are frustrated



The people being frustrated has nothing to do with whether the deal is good. The people don't have a clue what the deal is either way. For instance, one of the pro Brexit campaigns was driving a bus around saying that the £350M a week we send to the EU (much of which we get back anyway, and a lot of which we'd still need to spend to be part of the free market) could be spent on the NHS instead. Now, mere hours aft the referendum results, another Pro Brexit campaigner was asked if we could now spend those funds on the NHS and he said "Of course we can't, it doesn't work that way".

That's the sort of accuracy of information people are working from. There's a reason most countries elect politicians to make decisions for them, it's because the politicians then theoretically have the time to really learn how things work before they fuck with them. Leaving major, emotional issues up to the general mass of the population is kinda like giving a tweenager the keys to a Ferrari. They've seen other people drive it and they think they know what to do but it's not going to end well.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Did you even read what you wrote?

Like what I see as the key line of you post.

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The people don't have a clue what the deal is either way.



This would have to include you then?

BTW

Here in the states the politicians are supposed to elected to represent their constituencies NOT make decisions for them.

But anyway....

You have gone back to your old stance that if the people disagree with you or vote contrary to your views they must be uninformed, uneducated stupid or worse.
Proof from your own post
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Leaving major, emotional issues up to the general mass of the population is kinda like giving a tweenager the keys to a Ferrari




That is a mighty high horse you have placed yourself on.

The people have decided.
The people are not that stupid.


Now you get to live with it or move.
You do have a choice.
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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